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arugula · January 27, 2018, 09:10:05 PM

Who is doing color with Jason at Dartmouth? Keeps saying "we". Drives me nuts.

Cop at Lynah · January 27, 2018, 09:29:33 PM

Tim Vanini

Larry72 · January 27, 2018, 10:19:54 PM

Quote from: Cop at LynahTim Vanini

Tim can say "we" or anything else he wishes. Just look up his stats while at Cornell.

arugula · January 28, 2018, 01:23:18 AM

I was there during the Nieuwendyk years so Tim Vanini's stats don't particularly impress and aren't particularly relevant. In any event, I just prefer a less obvious homer for listening. Jason's a bit of a homer and that's to be expected from any home town announcer but "we" is a bit much. Phil Rizzuto didn't even say "we" after 55 years with the Yankees. Small point but I hadn't noticed before tonight but I dont listen to a ton of games.

Jim Hyla · January 28, 2018, 01:54:44 AM

Quote from: arugulaI was there during the Nieuwendyk years so Tim Vanini's stats don't particularly impress and aren't particularly relevant. In any event, I just prefer a less obvious homer for listening. Jason's a bit of a homer and that's to be expected from any home town announcer but "we" is a bit much. Phil Rizzuto didn't even say "we" after 55 years with the Yankees. Small point but I hadn't noticed before tonight but I dont listen to a ton of games.

He doesn't usually do games. This might have been his first this season.

upprdeck · January 28, 2018, 09:05:17 AM

a radio guy saying WE is different than a a former player saying WE..

Swampy · January 28, 2018, 09:10:55 AM

Quote from: upprdecka radio guy saying WE is different than a a former player saying WE..

Granted. But Arugula's point about Phil Rizzuto addresses the former-player case. IMHO, the question is which is more classy?

arugula · January 28, 2018, 09:15:52 AM

Last night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can't trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don't expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can't do that, I'd rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he's a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

Al DeFlorio · January 28, 2018, 09:29:09 AM

Quote from: arugulaLast night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can't trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don't expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can't do that, I'd rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he's a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

In general I agree about homerism, but I think you're making somewhat too much of this. And I suspect Tim is "competent" on the subject of hockey.

Trotsky · January 28, 2018, 09:30:48 AM

Quote from: arugulaLast night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can't trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don't expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can't do that, I'd rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he's a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

I appreciate what you are saying in general, but in this instance everything is fine.

There is an objectivity spectrum of voices from most (0) to least (5):

0. League officials
1. Media professionals
2. Guests (including university suits and gliterati)
3. Coaches
4. Players
5. Guy at the bar who still wants to fight Matt Nickerson

Vanini is Type 2. Jason's regular (splendid) color guy (I've been hearing him for 20 years but I still only know his as "Counselor") observes the Type 1 aesthetic.

ugarte · January 28, 2018, 10:51:06 AM

getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

Beeeej · January 28, 2018, 10:52:26 AM

Quote from: ugartegetting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

We knew you would say that.

upprdeck · January 28, 2018, 11:01:52 AM

since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

ugarte · January 28, 2018, 11:09:03 AM

the brown broadcast is still one of the funniest things i've ever heard.

i liked the dartmouth crew a lot. really solid call.

Trotsky · January 28, 2018, 11:47:33 AM

Quote from: upprdecksince when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.