Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season

Started by Trotsky, December 15, 2017, 10:05:02 AM

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A-19

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four.  we need to do the best we can to get the best seed and the best geographic and opponent draw we can.  so you bring your A-game every night and challenge other teams to beat you.  we aren't saving galadja like he's some trick play cooked up by boise state for a bowl game.  you can bet union is watching tape of galadja's games.  barring extenuating circumstances, you don't bench the best goaltender in the country to reward a senior in an away game at that, when you are chasing the championship

Beeeej

Quote from: A-19
Quote from: redliner
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four.

To quote Mr. Marks, what are you smoking? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Ohio State, then an overtime loss to Minnesota literally on their home ice in 2005? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Colorado College, then a triple-overtime loss to eventual national champion Wisconsin, in Wisconsin, in 2006? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Northeastern in 2009? (Okay, the next night sucked, at least hockey-wise.) An exciting OT win against Michigan, followed by a hard-fought one-goal loss to Ferris State in 2012? 2010 and last year are the only complete suckage in the NCAA tourney that I can remember since 2003.
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

scoop85

Quote from: A-19
Quote from: redliner
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four.  we need to do the best we can to get the best seed and the best geographic and opponent draw we can.  so you bring your A-game every night and challenge other teams to beat you.  we aren't saving galadja like he's some trick play cooked up by boise state for a bowl game.  you can bet union is watching tape of galadja's games.  barring extenuating circumstances, you don't bench the best goaltender in the country to reward a senior in an away game at that, when you are chasing the championship

Eh, I would agree with you if Stewart had something like a 3.20 GAA and .870 save percentage coming into the game, but he had been solid in his relatively few opportunities this year.

A-19

if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently.  talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

Scersk '97

Quote from: A-19if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently.  talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

Our academic and hockey prestige and the advantages those bring us in landing recruits notwithstanding, Cornell will never make the frozen four consistently because we cannot offer scholarships. Period. Stop whining and be realistic.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: A-19if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently.  talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

No way we will consistently compete with the "big nationals". We aren't going to put that many resources into it, nor lower our admission standards. We should hope to get to NCAAs and sometimes to FF. And before their new coach, Denver had a dry spell. No one is consistent, ask Q.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

BearLover

We are 8-10 in the NCAAs under Schafer. Of note, one of our first-round NCAA losses was Schafer's first year with McCutcheon's players. The other two were in 2010 and 2017 under an "improved ECAC." Our only Frozen Four appearance was when the ECAC stunk.

BearLover

I don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.

Trotsky

Quote from: A-19if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently.  talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.
Take your derp back to the WEEI Hot Takes.  We won several games in those NC$$s and were close in several others.  Your "winning is the only thing" hurr-durr is risible braindead posturing.

We obviously always want to win, but shitting on the accomplishments of those teams is just sad sack front running.  Save it for the Bruins or the Red Sox.

A-19

no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy

KenP

Quote from: A-19no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy
It is your choice to be happy or unhappy.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: BearLoverI don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.
You're full of beans.  And have become even more annoying recently.  Sorry to have to say it.
Al DeFlorio '65

Dafatone

Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: BearLoverI don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.
You're full of beans.  And have become even more annoying recently.  Sorry to have to say it.

Given that some here are saying we were never championship contenders, it's fair to point out that we were. Taking the eventual champions to triple-overtime means we had a team good enough to win it all.

Tournaments are crapshoots.

Trotsky

Quote from: A-19no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy
Did I say WEEI?  I meant RedState.

BearLover

Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: BearLoverI don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.
You're full of beans.  And have become even more annoying recently.  Sorry to have to say it.
Lmao, what issue do you even have with that highlighted quote? In five years: two NCAA three-seeds, a two-seed, a first overall-seed, two ECAC championships, making the Frozen Four (losing on a disputed call), losing in OT one year and triple OT to the champs another year, never exiting in the first round, having like fifteen NHL draft picks on those teams, having three Hobey finalists, need I go on? Those teams were extremely good and could have won a national title. Sorry if that annoys you.