NCAA tourney

[ugarte]

look i hate the harvard sucks THREAD but that doesn't mean i have any warm feelings for harvard. long may they fail.

[Trotsky]

the only way that works is if the school tries to actually elevate its program, either through recruiting, facilities, etc.

That will happen in fits and starts based on Andy's blood sugar, Admissions' casting of I Ching hexagrams, and whether one of our 1%er hockey-centered alums breaks his neck one morning falling off his pile of money.

We seem to be very healthy in the recruiting department -- we can't hold on to the best ones for the same systemic reasons that other programs lose theirs, too.  The facility is the one factor our players consistently cite as our biggest positive discriminator compared to the other Ivies.  And hopefully an NC$$ bid puts the RITUALLY DISEMBOWEL SCHAFER!!!1! types on the back burner for one summer.

[BearLover]

Luckily for us (read: Harvard losing), Denver looks unbeatable

I'm in favor of any Ivy school (any) winning the tournament.

DItto

Motion passes by acclamation.

NAY

I gotta say nay here.  There are some teams I'd root for them over (nodak, Dartmouth, Q), but generally nay.

I'm also a nay. Let Harvard get to the finals, but I badly want us to have our next national title before they get another. I'd even have been okay with another Union title this year, but not Harvard, no matter how deserving.

Rising tide lifts all boats. In the Ivy League, a rising tide lifts all yachts. If an Ivy or ECAC team wins the title, recruits for the other teams in the league see increased competition within the league, which is what they want. Before Yale, Union and Q made it to the finals in the past five years with 2 titles, we were the EZAC.

God, not this argument again.  There has been no evidence thus far that Yale or Union winning an NCAA championship has lifted our boat whatsoever.

[BearLover]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now than we've been at any point since '05/'06, the last time we were on top of the ECAC.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

[Dafatone]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now that we haven't been the best team in the ECAC since 2006.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

This horse is waaaaaay past beaten to death, but haven't we had more NHL draft picks come through in the past decade or so than the five years before (per year, I mean).

Not that that's the same as recruiting success.  It's funny how many of our best players aren't drafted.

[BearLover]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now that we haven't been the best team in the ECAC since 2006.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

This horse is waaaaaay past beaten to death, but haven't we had more NHL draft picks come through in the past decade or so than the five years before (per year, I mean).

I do not believe we have: draft picks.

[Trotsky]

God, not this argument again.

221 days until the first Friday in November.

[Trotsky]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now that we haven't been the best team in the ECAC since 2006.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

This horse is waaaaaay past beaten to death, but haven't we had more NHL draft picks come through in the past decade or so than the five years before (per year, I mean).

I do not believe we have: draft picks.

Here is the direct page.

[Dafatone]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now that we haven't been the best team in the ECAC since 2006.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

This horse is waaaaaay past beaten to death, but haven't we had more NHL draft picks come through in the past decade or so than the five years before (per year, I mean).

I do not believe we have: draft picks.

Here is the direct page.

That's what I get for relying on my gut instinct.

Or.  A lot of those earlier picks were 8th and 9th rounders, which no longer exist.  Therefore I'm still right?

Nah.

[BearLover]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now that we haven't been the best team in the ECAC since 2006.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

This horse is waaaaaay past beaten to death, but haven't we had more NHL draft picks come through in the past decade or so than the five years before (per year, I mean).

I do not believe we have: draft picks.

Here is the direct page.

Oh, whoops--meant to link to that.  

I believe five draft picks, the number on this year's team, was the lowest in some time for a Schafer team.

[marty]

...there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now than we've been at any point since '05/'06, the last time we were on top of the ECAC....

There's a Whitelaw from 2010 that you can check out in the trophy case when you next visit Mike and the gang.

[BearLover]

...there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now than we've been at any point since '05/'06, the last time we were on top of the ECAC....

There's a Whitelaw from 2010 that you can check out in the trophy case when you next visit Mike and the gang.

Oh, I'm aware.  But we dodged Yale, who we could never ever beat back then, because they got upset in an early round of the ECAC Tournament.  I'd say '05/'06 was the last time we were clearly the best in the ECAC.

[Roy 82]

Since the ECAC got tougher almost a decade ago, Cornell has won the ECAC less, made the NCAAs less, and won less once getting to the NCAAs.  You're welcome to root for whomever you'd like based on wanting to see the Ivies succeed and whatnot (I personally disagree), and I won't bother to call you out on these subjective rooting interests, but objectively there's still nothing to suggest Cornell is any better off now than we've been at any point since '05/'06, the last time we were on top of the ECAC.  No marked improvement in recruiting, marked downturn in fan support, slight downturn in overall success.

I simply want to support a team that is in a very good conference. Don't you want to watch a team playing against the best competition? I don't like the old days of the EZAC and SOS near the bottom.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Luckily for us (read: Harvard losing), Denver looks unbeatable

I'm in favor of any Ivy school (any) winning the tournament.

DItto

Motion passes by acclamation.

NAY

I gotta say nay here.  There are some teams I'd root for them over (nodak, Dartmouth, Q), but generally nay.

I'm also a nay. Let Harvard get to the finals, but I badly want us to have our next national title before they get another. I'd even have been okay with another Union title this year, but not Harvard, no matter how deserving.

Rising tide lifts all boats. In the Ivy League, a rising tide lifts all yachts. If an Ivy or ECAC team wins the title, recruits for the other teams in the league see increased competition within the league, which is what they want. Before Yale, Union and Q made it to the finals in the past five years with 2 titles, we were the EZAC.

I am less and less convinced by this argument as the time goes by and Cornell's recruiting doesn't significantly improve. But if Q getting to the finals helped, great, let Harvard get to the finals and stop there.

Another NAY for Sucks winning the tourney.

[scoop85]

Luckily for us (read: Harvard losing), Denver looks unbeatable

I'm in favor of any Ivy school (any) winning the tournament.

DItto

Motion passes by acclamation.

NAY

I gotta say nay here.  There are some teams I'd root for them over (nodak, Dartmouth, Q), but generally nay.

I'm also a nay. Let Harvard get to the finals, but I badly want us to have our next national title before they get another. I'd even have been okay with another Union title this year, but not Harvard, no matter how deserving.

Rising tide lifts all boats. In the Ivy League, a rising tide lifts all yachts. If an Ivy or ECAC team wins the title, recruits for the other teams in the league see increased competition within the league, which is what they want. Before Yale, Union and Q made it to the finals in the past five years with 2 titles, we were the EZAC.

I am less and less convinced by this argument as the time goes by and Cornell's recruiting doesn't significantly improve. But if Q getting to the finals helped, great, let Harvard get to the finals and stop there.

How would we measure that?  # of NHL picks seems pretty fair.  We're losing one (Buckles), retaining four (Starrett, Angello, Fiegl, Tshantz) have two already picked coming in (Song, Cairns) and maybe one to be picked in June (Green). That's 6 or 7 picks on next year's team, which IINM rivals Schafer's best rosters.

Despite his age, I don't think Song is coming until 2018