St. Lawrence 2 vs. Cornell 3 1/21/17

[Jim Hyla]

I thought we played vastly better friday night.   Were it not for 2 awful clears we win that game 3-1 and feel pretty good.

STL i thought had a bit more speed entering the zone  but still the killer for this team is just bad clears leading to scoring chances.  Its one thing to be out worked and be forced into turnovers, its another under no pressure to not move the puck properly.

Both teams had chances to score, but A pipe on a clear shot from 15 ft to me is different than  pipe on a 30 ft shot thru a maize of people. We were lucky on a couple give aways for sure.

Both games though we were far better on the cycle.

the bad penalties continue at times. we went from ending the game on the PP to a 4-4 with the goalie pulled twice in the last 4-5 minutes because we went after guys..

I can't agree. SLU is a much better team than Clarkson and I thought that we looked like we could beat them, whereas with Clarkson, I ended up hoping we could beat them.

For what it's worth, from the CHN article on the weekend:

"We didn't play (Friday) with the intensity we played with on the road," Schafer said. "Last night they were excited to play but not excited to compete. Tonight our guys competed for the most part. We let our foot off the gas a little in the second, but it was tight in the third.

"On the road, we played hard, not worrying about what the result is but focused on our game plan. We got distracted Friday night because we were back here (at Lynah Rink). You could tell they were excited, but they weren't ready.

[Johnny 5]

Plan A: When they forecheck and backcheck hard, when they use their speed, and their passing is crisp they look like a team on fire. See periods #1 & 3 last night.
Plan B: When sit back and play zone, when they lackadaisically skate the puck up ice, when they ever so deliberately slide the puck from man to man to man on on the power play they look like a team on Valium. See period #2 last night.
Fortunately, they managed enough of Plan A this weekend to be successful.

Here's hoping they utilize more of Plan A this upcoming weekend.

"LGR" ::cheer::

[upprdeck]

I thought more we were going to lose to Clarkson even though we completely controlled the game and had tons of chances. I never felt we couldnt win it, the talk in our section was more I cant believe we aren't winning this game and we are going to let 15 shots beat us.

STL was a much more even game but the 2 periods we played we controlled pretty well, the 2nd I thought we came out flat.. had  chance to make it 3-0 and didnt do it and then STL got back into it by making less mistakes.  

The unforced penalties will bite us and it did the first game against Harvard.

[Hooking]

Unforced penalties are a symptom of poor discipline.

[Dafatone]

I don't think we've been THAT undisciplined.  The retaliation penalty with two minutes left last game was bad, but honestly I blame the refs for that.  SLU already had a minor coming, then a scrum occurred that SLU started, and I didn't see Cornell scrumming any more than SLU did.  I'd be curious to see some sort of penalties per game stat comparing us to other teams, but that's tough because you usually measure PIM, which gets wonky with majors, misconducts, etc.

They've been calling lots of penalties this year in general, though fewer as of late.  For what it's worth, we have 90 power plays and 85 penalty kills.  We have the third fewest penalty kills in college hockey, though we've played fewer games.

Looks like we're 23rd in penalty kills per game, as in 23rd from best, not 23rd from worst.  There's room for improvement, but let's not act like this is worth panicking over, especially compared to the past few years.  Without naming names, some of our pestier pests are getting a little more disciplined, and I recall the team that kinda crashed three or four years ago being an unforced penalty machine.

[LGR14]

Unforced penalties are a symptom of poor discipline.

Or youth.

[BearLover]

I don't think we've been THAT undisciplined.  The retaliation penalty with two minutes left last game was bad, but honestly I blame the refs for that.  SLU already had a minor coming, then a scrum occurred that SLU started, and I didn't see Cornell scrumming any more than SLU did.  I'd be curious to see some sort of penalties per game stat comparing us to other teams, but that's tough because you usually measure PIM, which gets wonky with majors, misconducts, etc.

They've been calling lots of penalties this year in general, though fewer as of late.  For what it's worth, we have 90 power plays and 85 penalty kills.  We have the third fewest penalty kills in college hockey, though we've played fewer games.

Looks like we're 23rd in penalty kills per game, as in 23rd from best, not 23rd from worst.  There's room for improvement, but let's not act like this is worth panicking over, especially compared to the past few years.  Without naming names, some of our pestier pests are getting a little more disciplined, and I recall the team that kinda crashed three or four years ago being an unforced penalty machine.

Total number of penalties is fine; it's the types of penalties we're taking (completely unnecessary ones) that's so frustrating because it's completely preventable.

[Trotsky]

Total number of penalties is fine; it's the types of penalties we're taking (completely unnecessary ones) that's so frustrating because it's completely preventable.

I have not noticed this except for the last weekend.  Prior I thought just the opposite: as opposed to the last 4 years we seemed very disciplined.

[BearLover]

Total number of penalties is fine; it's the types of penalties we're taking (completely unnecessary ones) that's so frustrating because it's completely preventable.

I have not noticed this except for the last weekend.  Prior I thought just the opposite: as opposed to the last 4 years we seemed very disciplined.

IIRC, the entire third period vs. Princeton was one stupid penalty after another.  The next night against Q, at least three of our five penalties were directly off the faceoff or in the offensive zone.

[Trotsky]

Total number of penalties is fine; it's the types of penalties we're taking (completely unnecessary ones) that's so frustrating because it's completely preventable.

I have not noticed this except for the last weekend.  Prior I thought just the opposite: as opposed to the last 4 years we seemed very disciplined.

IIRC, the entire third period vs. Princeton was one stupid penalty after another.  The next night against Q, at least three of our five penalties were directly off the faceoff or in the offensive zone.

These were the only games I saw in person.  Not saying you're wrong but I have no memory of this.

[Iceberg]

He means the road games, not the ones at Lynah. He's right about the third period in Princeton. That was a parade to the penalty box.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

He's right about the 3rd period in Princeton.

Agree completely.

[Hooking]

I doubt many serious sports fans would disagree in general with the statement "Unforced [unnecessary, unprovoked] penalties are a sign of poor discipline." Probably the greatest benefit realized by competitive athletes is how to keep focused in times of stress, and the finest coaches surely are the best at instilling this virtue.

[Al DeFlorio]

I doubt many serious sports fans would disagree in general with the statement "Unforced [unnecessary, unprovoked] penalties are a sign of poor discipline." Probably the greatest benefit realized by competitive athletes is how to keep focused in times of stress, and the finest coaches surely are the best at instilling this virtue.

You do look for every possible way to knock Schafer, don't you.  Tiresome, to say the least.  You don't even seem to like winning games.  Tough way to go through life.

[jkahn]

Unforced penalties are a symptom of poor discipline.

Cornell Penalty minutes = 231
Opponent Penalty minutes = 254

Therefore, given your statement above, we are:
a) more disciplined than our opponents or
b) better at forcing our opponents into committing penalties or
c) both a) and b)