cornell - quin sat night

MattS · November 09, 2014, 09:39:39 AM

I'm a Shafer fan also, but I agree this system needs to be modernized. The game has passed the System, and maybe Shafer, by. If Shafer wants to win a national championship he's got to adapt so that some decent offense can be generated. In my section of Lynah it feels like everyone can see it. Heck even the Shafer supporters in my section are grumbling more and more after the past two plus seasons.

Oh, and I also agree about Gillam. It's early but I think he's got very good potential. I like his positioning and his rebound control.

Jim Hyla · November 09, 2014, 09:44:07 AM

Quote from: Towerroad
Quote from: dwakelinFirst, I think we have a regit goalie in Mitch. He is keeping us in games.
We don't get offense minded recruits because of the system. Third in the country presently in team defense and dead last in offense.
Outshot 19-1 in last period is ridiculous. Stats are for losers usually but these don't lie.
I am a Shafer fan but this style of hockey is outdated especially with current rule changes.
The question is, if you were a top recruit with professional aspirations, why would you come to Cornell to play.
Not panic time yet but there could be a lot of crickets at Lynah if this continues.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Except that we're not doing the same thing as years ago. His style has openned up more. Just look at the Princeton game. Or even the first 2 periods last night. I don't know why they can't put it into the net, even when they have control and a lot of shots. Obviously our senior forwards are not producing as they should.

I do agree that if this continues, there will be a lot of crickets.

Robb · November 09, 2014, 10:11:59 AM

Quote from: Jim HylaExcept that we're not doing the same thing as years ago. His style has openned up more.

Maybe that's the problem. We're the tallest roster in the NCAA by half an inch, when the range from #2 to #59 is only 2.1". If Schafer really is trying to open up the style, do we really have the right roster for that?

There's something to be said for trying to adapt to a style, but there's also something to be said for playing the style most suitable for your roster...

ugarte · November 09, 2014, 11:22:02 AM

Quote from: Robb
Quote from: Jim HylaExcept that we're not doing the same thing as years ago. His style has openned up more.
Maybe that's the problem. We're the tallest roster in the NCAA by half an inch, when the range from #2 to #59 is only 2.1". If Schafer really is trying to open up the style, do we really have the right roster for that?

There's something to be said for trying to adapt to a style, but there's also something to be said for playing the style most suitable for your roster...

Well, it's not like we're getting burned by giving up a lot of goals. I'd say that there is probably a lot of bad luck (that's what the first UNO and the Princeton game sound like) but the third period against Q isn't just statistical noise; it's an ass-whipping that looks like a mere loss because of a goalie playing well.

ebilmes · November 09, 2014, 11:44:57 AM

After watching both games this weekend, I'm just not sure who is going to score goals this season. It's weird because I actually think that our style has become more offensive-minded than a few years ago. Instead of dump-and-chase, I'm seeing a lot more cross-ice passes through the neutral zone. Instead of being content to grind along the boards, our big guys are trying to get the puck towards the net and we're taking some one-timers if we see some space.

Problem is, it doesn't seem like anyone has the talent to bury the puck. Even by our normally low standards for Cornell offense, this team is awful. In two games this weekend, I saw so few quality scoring chances. Against P, most of our shot attempts came from bad angles or from way up high. Against Q, it was the same story, except that our offense disappeared as the game went along.

Nothing seemed to matter. Five consecutive powerplays on Friday night? Nope. 1:00 of 5x3 on Saturday night? Nope. 4:00 during a major? Nope.

Ryan plays point on the powerplay, right? We definitely miss him. I never thought I'd say this, but I almost miss Brendan Nash. Please, just anyone to
move the puck and try something different.

Opposing goalies have a .975 save percentage against us this season, meaning that for every 40 shots we take (i.e. against P), one might go in (i.e. against P). Sure, goalies have been playing well against us, but our weak shot attempts are making their jobs easier.

Lowry-McCarren-Bardreau are probably our best bet to score a goal or two this season. Maybe as the season goes on, someone will step up and find the scoring touch, a la Evan Barlow a few years ago. Who knows?

I actually feel pretty good about our defense and goaltending. I hope we practice some shooting this week.

Lastly, do any undergrads travel to games anymore?

dbilmes · November 09, 2014, 11:59:57 AM

Quote from: upprdeckwatching the game with the sound off i would never have guessed the shots were that bad in the 3rd. the play seemed up and down cornell had the puck a decent amount on the offensive end.

I was sitting at the Quinnipiac end of the ice for the third period, and watching in person, as the period went on, Cornell was spending less and less time in the Quinnipiac end, especially in the stretch leading up to the controversial goal.

ajh258 · November 09, 2014, 12:29:59 PM

Quote from: ebilmesIt's weird because I actually think that our style has become more offensive-minded than a few years ago. Instead of dump-and-chase, I'm seeing a lot more cross-ice passes through the neutral zone. Instead of being content to grind along the boards, our big guys are trying to get the puck towards the net and we're taking some one-timers if we see some space.

Our style is definitely more offensively oriented versus a few years ago, but that's only half the puzzle. Bottom line, it has become clear over time that this coaching staff does not know how to teach offense. They are not doing a bad job, they're just not doing a good one.

However, we are performing so badly right now, the path of least resistance is probably up. There are also problems with morale and leadership that should improve after painful experiences like this.

Oh well... another year of mediocrity.

Trotsky · November 09, 2014, 12:45:27 PM

Quote from: ebilmesLastly, do any undergrads travel to games anymore?

Not winning titles kills undergrad travel. That's always been true. When Anne and I traveled in the late 80s to middle 90s we were sometimes close to the only people in places like Gutterson or Appleton. Harvard is never a problem, but the other places depend on local alumni during lean years.

Dafatone · November 09, 2014, 12:47:49 PM

If anything, I think we're trying TOO hard to put together a fancy offense. I'd like to see more driving to the net and less centering passes through traffic.

Then again, last night was the only game I've seen this year (as opposed to listening to them), and I only saw half of it.

Trotsky · November 09, 2014, 12:53:09 PM

I agree with the posters who have opined that Schafer has been opening the style. He will always build them out from the net and, put it this way, they're that much more of a superlative defensive unit to be so effective despite getting no pressure in the other end.

andyw2100 · November 09, 2014, 01:33:10 PM

One of the things that surprised (and disappointed) me a lot in this game was the number of one-timers they took during the 5 on 3. It would seem that with a 5 on 3 advantage and all that open ice you'd want to move the puck around a lot and look for a back-door kind of opportunity--something from in-close, with a lot of open net. The one-timers result in rebounds that can be cleared down the ice or into the corners and along the boards where the puck can be tied up. I haven't watched a replay, but I think they tried several one-timers during that 5 on 3. It seemed almost as if they were playing it like a regular 5 on 4 powerplay instead of like a 2 man advantage.

Jim Hyla · November 09, 2014, 01:57:00 PM

So here's the goal. The replay critical times are at 0:57 & 1:01 [video]http://youtu.be/szYZxMAu_k8[/video]

ps: I'd certainly like to see the overhead camera. You wonder if the refs wouldn't do a review because Schafer compains and asks so much, as earlier in the game.

BearLover · November 09, 2014, 02:58:50 PM

What is most amazing is that this incredible senior class is looking at a single tournament appearance in their four years at Cornell.

Chris '03 · November 09, 2014, 03:45:15 PM

Quote from: Jim HylaSo here's the goal. The replay critical times are at 0:57 & 1:01 [video]http://youtu.be/szYZxMAu_k8[/video]

ps: I'd certainly like to see the overhead camera. You wonder if the refs wouldn't do a review because Schafer compains and asks so much, as earlier in the game.

Thus showed the overhead on the q feed for a split second a few minutes after the goal was scored.

Jim Hyla · November 09, 2014, 04:25:27 PM

Quote from: Chris '03
Quote from: Jim HylaSo here's the goal. The replay critical times are at 0:57 & 1:01 [video]http://youtu.be/szYZxMAu_k8[/video]

ps: I'd certainly like to see the overhead camera. You wonder if the refs wouldn't do a review because Schafer compains and asks so much, as earlier in the game.

Thus showed the overhead on the q feed for a split second a few minutes after the goal was scored.

This is from the archived program. I don't remember that, but I'll look again, could they have removed it?