Something New

marty · February 16, 2013, 11:09:03 PM

I have never seen a goal like this before tonight. The goal is knocked off significantly before the puck finds the net. It was reviewed and allowed after the on ice ruling waved it off.

RPI Goal?

flyersgolf · February 16, 2013, 11:19:36 PM

26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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cbuckser · February 16, 2013, 11:42:55 PM

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26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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The NCAA changed the dislodged-net rule last summer.

marty · February 16, 2013, 11:43:43 PM

Here it is in HD.

RPI Goal?

andyw2100 · February 16, 2013, 11:59:46 PM

What's interesting about this is that the player that scored the goal did not yet have the puck at the time the net was being dislodged. So the fact that the refs could interpret the part of the rule about the player being in position to shoot to include a player that didn't even yet have the puck is interesting. I mean at the time the net was being dislodged the player that scored was in a position to receive a pass, not to shoot.

nyc94 · February 17, 2013, 12:13:36 AM

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Quote from: flyersgolf
26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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The NCAA changed the dislodged-net rule last summer.

I think the rule change might have given Michigan State another goal against Union in the regional.

Jim Hyla · February 17, 2013, 07:00:36 AM

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26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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The NCAA changed the dislodged-net rule last summer.

I think the rule change might have given Michigan State another goal against Union in the regional.

Yes, but no. It was Ferris State and that was one of the reasons.

marty · February 17, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

Quote from: andyw2100What's interesting about this is that the player that scored the goal did not yet have the puck at the time the net was being dislodged. So the fact that the refs could interpret the part of the rule about the player being in position to shoot to include a player that didn't even yet have the puck is interesting. I mean at the time the net was being dislodged the player that scored was in a position to receive a pass, not to shoot.

QuoteThe committee also adjusted its rules dealing with the goal cage becoming dislodged. The committee essentially moved to the NHL rule in this area, which allows some displacement of the goal as long as the posts remain in contact with the pegs or pins

I agree. I think the goal wasn't a goal based on either criterion. The goal wasn't partially dislodged in the way it was in the Ferris State/Union game (assuming my memory is correct) and the shot didn't occur before the net was off the post.

billhoward · February 17, 2013, 08:47:37 AM

You see the RPI replay of the crossing pass and the shot into the middle of the 6x4 plane behind the goaltender and conclude that this is a goal that deserved to counted.

ursusminor · February 17, 2013, 10:00:15 AM

It can't count. The refs always rule against us.

nyc94 · February 17, 2013, 11:24:08 AM

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26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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The NCAA changed the dislodged-net rule last summer.

I think the rule change might have given Michigan State another goal against Union in the regional.

Yes, but no. It was Ferris State and that was one of the reasons.

There was definitely an incident in the Union-Michigan State game where there was a disallowed goal and net being dislodged came into play. Not sure if you're saying no, it didn't happen in the Michigan State game or no, the rule change wouldn't have made a difference.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/03/23/disallowed-goal-weighs-on-michigan-state-after-regional-loss/

Jim Hyla · February 17, 2013, 11:26:00 AM

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26.2 Net Dislodgement - In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in position to shoot) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

When the goal post has been displaced deliberately by the defending team when their goalkeeper has been removed for an extra attacker thereby preventing an impending goal by the attacking team, the Referee shall award a goal to the attacking team.

The goal frame is considered to be displaced if either or both goal pegs are no longer in their respective holes in the ice, or the net has come completely off one or both pegs, prior to or as the puck enters the goal. This rule also applies to other types of net anchoring systems.

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The NCAA changed the dislodged-net rule last summer.

I think the rule change might have given Michigan State another goal against Union in the regional.

Yes, but no. It was Ferris State and that was one of the reasons.

There was definitely an incident in the Union-Michigan State game where there was a disallowed goal and net being dislodged came into play. Not sure if you're saying no, it didn't happen in the Michigan State game or no, the rule change wouldn't have made a difference.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/03/23/disallowed-goal-weighs-on-michigan-state-after-regional-loss/

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Ben · February 17, 2013, 01:24:02 PM

Quote from: billhowardYou see the RPI replay of the crossing pass and the shot into the middle of the 6x4 plane behind the goaltender and conclude that this is a goal that deserved to counted.

That was my thinking as well. It feels like it should be a goal.

ursusminor · February 17, 2013, 03:52:43 PM

This isn't really relevant as to whether the goal should count, but the nets were repeatedly dislodged during the game. It has been suggested that this was due to a concert at the HFH last Monday causing the ice to be soft. This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABphlXEyW8

from the concert may be the first video from the HFH ever to go viral. It has over 6,000,000 views as I post this. You can also easily find several unedited videos taken from the crowd on YouTube.

Trotsky · February 17, 2013, 06:47:19 PM

Quote from: ursusminorThis isn't really relevant as to whether the goal should count, but the nets were repeatedly dislodged during the game. It has been suggested that this was due to a concert at the HFH last Monday causing the ice to be soft. This video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABphlXEyW8

from the concert may be the first video from the HFH ever to go viral. It has over 6,000,000 views as I post this. You can also easily find several unedited videos taken from the crowd on YouTube.

This is the first Harlem Shake video I have seen that was actually creative. Nicely done.