Notre Dame to ACC

Started by nyc94, September 12, 2012, 12:35:13 PM

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jtn27

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Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Geography.

But they're already adding Syracuse and Pittsburgh and have Boston College. Are either UConn or Cincinnati really much of a stretch geographically? They are certainly better geographic fits than Maryland is with the Big 10 and San Diego State is with the Big East.
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Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Geography.

But they're already adding Syracuse and Pittsburgh and have Boston College. Are either UConn or Cincinnati really much of a stretch geographically? They are certainly better geographic fits than Maryland is with the Big 10 and San Diego State is with the Big East.
I think the name of the game these days is to be as far-flung geographically as possible to try to attract more of a national audience.
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scoop85

I just love how the Presidents and Trustees of these Universities are setting such a fine example of honesty and integrity ::dribble::

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: scoop85I just love how the Presidents and Trustees of these Universities are setting such a fine example of honesty and integrity ::dribble::

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Josh '99

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.
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Chris '03

Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.

Maybe the ACC is still pissed about getting sued by... UConn... ten years ago when BC left?
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Jim Hyla

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Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.

Or maybe they looked at their respective programs, the markets they are in, and decided Louisville had more to offer. Certainly UConn football doesn't yet add that much, Louisville seems to add more in that way. Men's basketball is at best a tradeoff as far as UConn is concerned. Yes, they have a great history, but L'ville isn't that far, if at all, behind. With the coaching situation at L'ville being secure, and UConn somewhat unknown, I think the edge also goes to L'ville here. Everything else, including UConn's women's basketball, just doesn't matter. Looking at the market, TV that is, I don't know that UConn brings that much. Others know better than I, but BC probably is a stronger NE draw, and does UConn draw a substantial part of the NYC market? If not, then extending into the edge of the Big Ten and SEC market could help.
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ugarte

UConn only draws interest in NYC from people who moved from Connecticut to the city.

RichH

Quote from: ugarteUConn only draws interest in NYC from people who moved from Connecticut to the city.

And SNY has a contract to show UConn football and both Men's and Women's basketball.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/UConn-Huskies-CPTV-SNY-Geno-Auriemma-150661855.html

mountainred

Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.

Or maybe they looked at their respective programs, the markets they are in, and decided Louisville had more to offer. Certainly UConn football doesn't yet add that much, Louisville seems to add more in that way. Men's basketball is at best a tradeoff as far as UConn is concerned. Yes, they have a great history, but L'ville isn't that far, if at all, behind. With the coaching situation at L'ville being secure, and UConn somewhat unknown, I think the edge also goes to L'ville here. Everything else, including UConn's women's basketball, just doesn't matter. Looking at the market, TV that is, I don't know that UConn brings that much. Others know better than I, but BC probably is a stronger NE draw, and does UConn draw a substantial part of the NYC market? If not, then extending into the edge of the Big Ten and SEC market could help.

L'ville was supposedly very close to being chosen for the Big 12 last year and folks here in WV had talked about their inclusion being a given if the league found a suitable 12th.  UConn was seen as a bridge too far for the league and there was no real interest in Cincy.  So, they are likely available down the road if necessary while there was a greater chance the Cardinals would be gone.  L'ville is also a safer bet in hoops as there is no real guarantee UConn will be the same without Calhoun (they weren't relevant before him) while Louisville has a much longer history.  Finally, the seems to be some really bad blood between UConn and BC.  Can't imagine the Eagles have that much sway, but sometimes it's easier to just get along.

As a WV native and Mountaineer fan from before I knew there was a Cornell, it's kind of sad watching the demise of all the rivalries I knew as a kid.

jtn27

Quote from: RichH
Quote from: ugarteUConn only draws interest in NYC from people who moved from Connecticut to the city.

And SNY has a contract to show UConn football and both Men's and Women's basketball.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/UConn-Huskies-CPTV-SNY-Geno-Auriemma-150661855.html

Does anyone actually watch SNY when they're not showing a Mets game? (Same goes for the Yankees and YES).
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Quote from: jtn27
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: ugarteUConn only draws interest in NYC from people who moved from Connecticut to the city.

And SNY has a contract to show UConn football and both Men's and Women's basketball.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/UConn-Huskies-CPTV-SNY-Geno-Auriemma-150661855.html

Does anyone actually watch SNY when they're not showing a Mets game? (Same goes for the Yankees and YES).

Sometimes I watch YES. Sometimes you just can't deny the appeal of Yankeeography: Shane Spencer.

Josh '99

Quote from: Chris '03
Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.

Maybe the ACC is still pissed about getting sued by... UConn... ten years ago when BC left?
Wow, completely forgot about that.
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ugarte

Quote from: mountainred... there is no real guarantee UConn will be the same without Calhoun (they weren't relevant before him).
Oooh. Excellent point.

Swampy

Quote from: mountainred
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94ACC votes to add Louisville and sues Maryland to get the full $50 million exit fee.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8685541/acc-votes-add-louisville-cardinals-source-says

Quote from: Brett McMurphy (ESPN)The ACC also considered UConn and Cincinnati for membership. However, sources told ESPN the league only wanted Louisville because there is a sense among league presidents that the ACC can add more schools at a later date if the ACC lost any other schools.

Makes absolutely no sense. The question is why Louisville over UConn or Cincinnati now.
Seems like a clear indication that Louisville was their top choice of the three, but you're right that there's no indication of why.  What the guy from ESPN provides is a reason why they added one school rather than three, not a reason why they added Louisville rather than UConn or Cincinnati.

It's surprising to me that they wouldn't jump at the chance to add a basketball powerhouse like UConn, although of course Louisville does have some track record there as well, at least on the men's side.  I guess the lure of having a venue with a name like the KFC Yum! Center was just too hard to resist.

Or maybe they looked at their respective programs, the markets they are in, and decided Louisville had more to offer. Certainly UConn football doesn't yet add that much, Louisville seems to add more in that way. Men's basketball is at best a tradeoff as far as UConn is concerned. Yes, they have a great history, but L'ville isn't that far, if at all, behind. With the coaching situation at L'ville being secure, and UConn somewhat unknown, I think the edge also goes to L'ville here. Everything else, including UConn's women's basketball, just doesn't matter. Looking at the market, TV that is, I don't know that UConn brings that much. Others know better than I, but BC probably is a stronger NE draw, and does UConn draw a substantial part of the NYC market? If not, then extending into the edge of the Big Ten and SEC market could help.

L'ville was supposedly very close to being chosen for the Big 12 last year and folks here in WV had talked about their inclusion being a given if the league found a suitable 12th.  UConn was seen as a bridge too far for the league and there was no real interest in Cincy.  So, they are likely available down the road if necessary while there was a greater chance the Cardinals would be gone.  L'ville is also a safer bet in hoops as there is no real guarantee UConn will be the same without Calhoun (they weren't relevant before him) while Louisville has a much longer history.  Finally, the seems to be some really bad blood between UConn and BC.  Can't imagine the Eagles have that much sway, but sometimes it's easier to just get along.

As a WV native and Mountaineer fan from before I knew there was a Cornell, it's kind of sad watching the demise of all the rivalries I knew as a kid.

Thinking a bit more about it here are two more hypotheses. (1) The really, really big money is in football, and neither UConn nor Cincy really move the needle on that score. (2) With the Big East a shadow of its former self, UConn is going to have more difficulty recruiting for B-Ball; so with Calhoun gone, UConn's fortunes may be about to tank.