ECAC Finals Weekend not on TV

[Robb]

Don't get too many crazy ideas about having a Conference Tourney with a ticket to the NC$$ tournament at stake at a venue that doesn't normally have ice for hockey games. You do not want to be playing important games on sh*tty ice.

Ford Field.

Ohhh, if you're going to go to Philadelphia, let's keep going to Baltimore. Or Washington DCAC!!!

I'd say Philly is actually closer to the heart of the league than Atlantic city. 2 hour drive from NYC. But I'm more in favor of the poach RIT and BCA scenario.

I feel that Philly would suffer from many of the same issues that plague AC other than inability to keep and maintain ice. It is only somewhat closer to the center of the Conference for teams that already would need to take a long-distance trip. Princeton is the only team whose travel distance might be affected were they to make the ECAC Championships in an appreciable manner. I like Philadelphia, but I can see only how many of the arguments leveled against AC would then be turned against Philadelphia.

I think that Albany makes the most sense.

Once again, I think we really have to wait to see who Hockey East takes as a 12th team to know what the options are.

Let's add two more to the ECAC. Coax Penn into restarting its hockey program, they have already the rink, and pick up RIT. I would like to pick of RIT, but I am not a big fan of pushing directly or implicitly other ECAC teams out of the Conference.

Even Q-Pac?

At the risk of triggering a diatribe, why the hate for Q-pac?  They haven't been remotely close to being the worst team in the league.  They've only finished as low as 10th once, and that was their first ECAC season.  Since then, they've been a very middle-of-the-pack team.  Meh, I say.

Edit: Get out of my head, JTN!

[jtn27]

Get out of my head, JTN!

No. I will do no such thing.

[css228]

Don't get too many crazy ideas about having a Conference Tourney with a ticket to the NC$$ tournament at stake at a venue that doesn't normally have ice for hockey games. You do not want to be playing important games on sh*tty ice.

Ford Field.

Ohhh, if you're going to go to Philadelphia, let's keep going to Baltimore. Or Washington DCAC!!!

I'd say Philly is actually closer to the heart of the league than Atlantic city. 2 hour drive from NYC. But I'm more in favor of the poach RIT and BCA scenario.

I feel that Philly would suffer from many of the same issues that plague AC other than inability to keep and maintain ice. It is only somewhat closer to the center of the Conference for teams that already would need to take a long-distance trip. Princeton is the only team whose travel distance might be affected were they to make the ECAC Championships in an appreciable manner. I like Philadelphia, but I can see only how many of the arguments leveled against AC would then be turned against Philadelphia.

I think that Albany makes the most sense.

Once again, I think we really have to wait to see who Hockey East takes as a 12th team to know what the options are.

Let's add two more to the ECAC. Coax Penn into restarting its hockey program, they have already the rink, and pick up RIT. I would like to pick of RIT, but I am not a big fan of pushing directly or implicitly other ECAC teams out of the Conference.

Even Q-Pac?

What is that you have against Q-pac? I know they haven't made the NCAA Tournament since joining the ECAC (I think that's right, I'm sure someone will correct me if it's not), but it's not like they've been a doormat either. They're relatively competitive every year and are a TUC this year. Although they don't have the historical success of many of the other ECAC teams, they're not even close to being the worst team in the league (at least since I've come to Cornell).

It's more that if I wanted RIT in the league, they're the ones I wouldn't want. And I want RIT in the league. They have a Frozen 4 more recently than our league and quite frankly their fan base is pretty strong, not to mention Rochester would automatically be one of the biggest markets in ECAC Hockey. I just feel that Q-Pac doesn't add anything to our league other than a 3/4 empty stadium and another team of bodies. They have no real historical basis in the league, no real rivalries, They've made it to AC once I think (or did that not happen?). I mean I'd gladly drop Brown before them, or jump to Hockey East ourselves, but neither of those are going to happen. The two teams that have expressed interest in HE are Q-Pac and RPI. Which would you rather lose? That's what I thought. Q-Pac is the worst team we can drop without destroying the historical integrity or tradition of the league. And they have absolutely no fan base. RIT on the other hand sold out the Blue Cross Arena (a 10,000 person arena) for a game against SLU. Admittedly it was homecoming, but SLU isn't exactly a big name draw. Besides you get RIT and then we probably get Rochester, and the BCA. So in other words, problem solved on ECAC tourney location.
Basically short summary, I don't hate Q-Pac. I just can't see us growing to 14 (especially with the 29 game limit), and would rather lose Q-Pac than RPI among the realistic choices.

[Ben]

Yes it should, which is why I propose the tourney be held in Vladivostok. Time to live up to our rep folks.

That would be an awesome trip. I can just imagine the puzzled Russian security folks at the airport when a load of Cornell fans arrive.

[css228]

Yes it should, which is why I propose the tourney be held in Vladivostok. Time to live up to our rep folks.

That would be an awesome trip. I can just imagine the puzzled Russian security folks at the airport when a load of Cornell fans arrive.

I was going to respond to you in Russian, but the forum doesn't allow posting with Cyrillic alphabets.

[jtn27]

Yes it should, which is why I propose the tourney be held in Vladivostok. Time to live up to our rep folks.

That would be an awesome trip. I can just imagine the puzzled Russian security folks at the airport when a load of Cornell fans arrive.

I thought you said you weren't reading this thread.

tl;dr

Liar

[Aaron M. Griffin]

They've made it to AC once I think (or did that not happen?).

2007. They upset some inconsequential team in the ECAC Quarterfinals with a sweep on that team's home ice.

I assumed that you meant the ECAC Championships not AC in particular because Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Union are the only teams to have earned a trip to AC since AC has hosted the event.

[css228]

They've made it to AC once I think (or did that not happen?).

2007. They upset some inconsequential team in the ECAC Quarterfinals with a sweep on that team's home ice.

I assumed that you meant the ECAC Championships not AC in particular because Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Union are the only teams to have earned a trip to AC since AC has hosted the event.

Sorry meant ECAC championships, not AC in particular. Just have that on the brain since at the moment I guess. Also guess that means we're agreed on didn't happen

[Aaron M. Griffin]

They've made it to AC once I think (or did that not happen?).

2007. They upset some inconsequential team in the ECAC Quarterfinals with a sweep on that team's home ice.

I assumed that you meant the ECAC Championships not AC in particular because Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Union are the only teams to have earned a trip to AC since AC has hosted the event.

Sorry meant ECAC championships, not AC in particular. Just have that on the brain since at the moment I guess. Also guess that means we're agreed on didn't happen

I wish that it didn't. I respect Quinnipiac, but that loss is/was painful. The only team to have swept Cornell at Lynah in the ECAC Qfs in recent memory.

I have AC on the brain too. I am looking forward to seeing on Friday/Saturday if it is as bad in person as people who went last year make it seem.

[adamw]

I don't think it's accurate to say Quinnipiac has no fan base.  It had the 6th highest attendance in the league, probably 5th if you take out the Fenway game in Harvard's column. More than Union, St. Lawrence and Clarkson, among others.  They have been known to fill their building - and the year they did make it to Albany, brought a sizable contingent -- certainly moreso than just about any other school in the ECAC.

[css228]

I don't think it's accurate to say Quinnipiac has no fan base.  It had the 6th highest attendance in the league, probably 5th if you take out the Fenway game in Harvard's column. More than Union, St. Lawrence and Clarkson, among others.  They have been known to fill their building - and the year they did make it to Albany, brought a sizable contingent -- certainly moreso than just about any other school in the ECAC.

Okay, but if the rumors are to be believed, I'd still rather lose them than RPI, which probably has the second or third best fan base in the league, and RIT would undoubtedly bring a lot to the table in the context of having the ability to have a full slate of scholarships. I definitely don't hate Quinny, but I don't think I'd miss them if they went to Hockey East. I'd definitely miss RPI. While their fans can be annoying sometimes, the series is nothing if not fun. I just really want RIT in the league. They were here my first weekend of Cornell hockey, and even though we lost, their fans travelling in made it fun. They'd definitely rival RPI and Clarkson for second in passion almost immediately. I'm not saying I really want Quinnipiac gone, but unless we're allowed at a minimum four more games by Ivy rules, then you can't do 14 teams like Aaron suggested, If someone has to go, they're the team that realistically might leave that I'd miss the least. I mean, imagine a USCHO forum without RPI's incessant complaints about Schafer. The entire system might collapse.

[French Rage]

The only team to have swept Cornell at Lynah in the ECAC Qfs in recent memory.

That's the only one I can remember too.

[RichH]

It's more that if I wanted RIT in the league, they're the ones I wouldn't want. And I want RIT in the league. They have a Frozen 4 more recently than our league and quite frankly their fan base is pretty strong, not to mention Rochester would automatically be one of the biggest markets in ECAC Hockey. I just feel that Q-Pac doesn't add anything to our league other than a 3/4 empty stadium and another team of bodies. They have no real historical basis in the league, no real rivalries, They've made it to AC once I think (or did that not happen?). I mean I'd gladly drop Brown before them, or jump to Hockey East ourselves, but neither of those are going to happen. The two teams that have expressed interest in HE are Q-Pac and RPI. Which would you rather lose? That's what I thought. Q-Pac is the worst team we can drop without destroying the historical integrity or tradition of the league. And they have absolutely no fan base. RIT on the other hand sold out the Blue Cross Arena (a 10,000 person arena) for a game against SLU. Admittedly it was homecoming, but SLU isn't exactly a big name draw. Besides you get RIT and then we probably get Rochester, and the BCA. So in other words, problem solved on ECAC tourney location.
Basically short summary, I don't hate Q-Pac. I just can't see us growing to 14 (especially with the 29 game limit), and would rather lose Q-Pac than RPI among the realistic choices.

Oh my god, Oh My God, OMG. Just read through my history of posts here, and I've been advocating dropping UNION for RIT for years here.  Just because Union happens to be decent for the first time in ever, right this second is no reason to ignore what a drag they are in the league.  They are an awful program. The (former) university president (Hull) basically said that the best they should expect was to be a .500 team in the league, and that would be dandy. They are a DIII school with a DIII mentality, and a piss poor arena (akin to a high school gymnasium), with immature fans, and get them the hell out of the ECAC.  Quinnipiac at least built a modern rink as a centerpiece to their new campus. QU is essentially moving from being a commuter school to one that is building a campus with a med school as well as a law school.

In summary, leave Quinnipiac alone for now. They are doing some right things.  UNION SUCKS. Get them the hell out of our league in exchange straight up for RIT.  I'd do that in a heartbeat.  I will continue to push this.  I just sucks that they happen to be a good team right now.  I guarantee they will fall back to the dregs soon enough.

[ajh258]

We can lose RPI. They haven't been producing within or outside the league on a consistent basis for more than a decade now, and Quinnipiac has really outperformed RPI in the past few years consistently. Still, I would really like to see changes in recruitment rules and season start times for the Ivy League - I think those are the biggest issues barring us from getting better players and performance.

[RichH]

We can lose RPI. They haven't been producing within or outside the league on a consistent basis for more than a decade now, and Quinnipiac has really outperformed RPI in the past few years consistently. Still, I would really like to see changes in recruitment rules and season start times for the Ivy League - I think those are the biggest issues barring us from getting better players and performance.

Seriously!?

Yeah, we surely want to lose one of the three programs that has any fans in this league, and one of the three with any national championships.   Also, RPI meshes well academically.  Or...OR! we could drop a program that took 20 years to win a playoff series. DUMP UNION. Jebus.