Red Cast Really Sucks

[Rita]

The RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

$100 seems reasonable to me, though I'm not trying to live on a student's budget.  Then again, the students are at the games.

I would probably pay $100 for Mens and Women's hockey. I would pay $200 for a season pass. Provided the quality was as good as the RPI product (I was very very happy with it). I did not renew my redcast subscription this year because of poor quality.

FWIW, I just sent an email to rpi.tv (rpitv@union.rpi.edu) thanking them for doing the games and praising them for the high quality video. Oh, I copied Andy Noel on it and asked why Cornell can't do this too?  Not that I expect to get a response, but it is a Monday, and I wanted to do some griping (rather than wallowing). I hope the NC$$ contracts with RPI.TV for this Saturday's game.

[Trotsky]

It's odd that Noel, who has been quite good overall as AD, has so completely shat the bed on this, year after year.  Maybe the wrestling stream is better.

[Towerroad]

It's odd that Noel, who has been quite good overall as AD, has so completely shat the bed on this, year after year.  Maybe the wrestling stream is better.

I agree. Redcast as it is today, is an opportunity lost. I gave up on it after a few years of mediocracy. Here we have presumably loyal alums with enough disposable income to pay to stream Big Red Sports. I fail to understand why the Big Red Money Raising Machine is not tugging at our heartstrings during the intermissions. Alternatively there is advertising to be sold. Think of all the businesses that advertise in the Alumni Magazines.

[Bahnstorm]

I think what would be ideal to happen is one or two big time alums step in and say we'll help with an endowment, but make your athletic video setup like rpi/yale whomever and make it free. I get good will towards the university watching sport, I get ill will spending time screwing around with BS video feeds. Get it right, plug the hell out of it and generate a lot of fans of major and minor sports.

[Bahnstorm]

In terms of advertising I noticed in the UVA lax stream they cut to a full screen advertisement page between almost every whistle while maintaining the audio from the commentators.

[Al DeFlorio]

In terms of advertising I noticed in the UVA stream they cut to a full screen advertisement page between almost every whistle while maintaining the audio from the commentators.

And, at least once, while play was on.

[upprdeck]

so people would pay $100 for redcast which us more than the season pass for NHL? to be honest paying $7-10 a game for an internet feed for a game that a ticket costs $18 is crazy.

In reality they need two priceing schemes.  Season ticket holders should be able to get the feed for less since they already have paid once up front for a game they cant attend.

I think the fee they charge now limits the people who actually buy it when added to the quality.  $5 is more a decent going rate per game. then give me some incentive to buy a season pass.

[Trotsky]

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

[marty]

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

[Towerroad]

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

[Bahnstorm]

FWIW campus priorities don't always dictate what gets funded with donor $ or what gets attention. It just takes engaged alumni pushing. This is a very good example:
http://www.alumni.cornell.edu/touchdown/

Its just a matter of getting the right people, who have the clout/$ to push buttons, excited about the project.

[KeithK]

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

Perception of what is a reasonable price often depends on existing prices of similar products.  Certainly I have only minimal interest in watching RPI hockey when they aren't playing Cornell. But how much they charge influences my perception of what is reasonable to pay for Cornell hockey video. It affects my demand curve.

I just can't see paying a substantial portion of the price of a ticket for a video feed no matter what the quality. When the quality and reliability fall to Redcast levels I'm even less likely to do so. (The fact that on the West Coast I'm generally at work through half of the games makes it not even an option....)

I'm not expecting a rich alum to pay for hockey video. Though you may recall that it was alums from this board (or it's predecessor) o first paid for equipment to provide internet audio * so it's hardly unthinkable. If I were a rich alum (and not just an alum) I'd fund something like this long before I would pay for someone elses "far more important priorities".

* Technically, folks from the board pledged something like half the money and the boosters made up the difference.

[scoop85]

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

Perception of what is a reasonable price often depends on existing prices of similar products.  Certainly I have only minimal interest in watching RPI hockey when they aren't playing Cornell. But how much they charge influences my perception of what is reasonable to pay for Cornell hockey video. It affects my demand curve.

I just can't see paying a substantial portion of the price of a ticket for a video feed no matter what the quality. When the quality and reliability fall to Redcast levels I'm even less likely to do so. (The fact that on the West Coast I'm generally at work through half of the games makes it not even an option....)

I'm not expecting a rich alum to pay for hockey video. Though you may recall that it was alums from this board (or it's predecessor) o first paid for equipment to provide internet audio * so it's hardly unthinkable. If I were a rich alum (and not just an alum) I'd fund something like this long before I would pay for someone elses "far more important priorities".

* Technically, folks from the board pledged something like half the money and the boosters made up the difference.

But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

[KeithK]

But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

[Trotsky]

But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

That makes no sense.  If I am raised in Norway and move to the Sudan, my personal experience of the unremarkableness of feeling cool has no effect on how much I will pay for air conditioning.