Jersey Mockups

[CUontheslopes]

I'm frankly surprised that everyone jumped on the person who started the thread. It's certainly a valid suggestion, even if I did not like the particularly jersey, which btw looks a lot like the CU roller hockey jerseys. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little change to the jersey. In fact, a little change all around isn't a bad thing. As people have pointed out, there have been quite a few changes over the years. Hell, even Lynah has been changed - new seats, standing room "seats." I for one would love to see a video-board.

That said, I'm a traditionalist at heart. I don't want to see anything cartoon-y or RPI-puckmanesque. But I've never been wild about the uniform we wear currently. They're simple, but I don't think they're simple done right, like, for example, the Yankees. I wouldn't mind seeing a minor tweak or two to the jersey provided the change provides a traditional look. I'm not much for using paint or clipart, but personally, I think a jersey with just a big red "C" (like on the football helmets) or some variation thereof on the front would look better than the "Cornell" currently there. I wasn't wild about the 3rd jersey from a few years ago because of the darker color red that looked crimson-y.

Nothing is so sacrosanct it can't use a little change so long as the change is traditional in appearance. I mean, who would've thought we'd ever seen new (old) Michigan football helmets or jerseys. We could have something that's just as traditional, but sharper.

[Trotsky]

I'm frankly surprised that everyone jumped on the person who started the thread.

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I don't think anybody "jumped on him."  He floated an idea; most of us don't care for it and we said so, but not rudely.

Unless this is Eggshell Self Esteem Week, why would anybody expect anything different?

Now, if you mean jumped on the idea, I think the various responses above summarize why it's not that appealing to many.

Also, please don't compare the Cornell uniforms, which are classic, with the Yankees', which are ungainly and ugly and have really only attained classic stature through longevity.

> Nothing is so sacrosanct it can't use a little change

Actually, this is false, since change for change's sake is just aesthetic ADD, but I wouldn't put a sports jersey under the category of things which can't be changed.  It's just that the current look is very, very sharp and clean, it would be hard to improve on it, and any time you open that can of worms you risk winding up with this:

[RichH]

Actually, this is false, since change for change's sake is just aesthetic ADD, but I wouldn't put a sports jersey under the category of things which can't be changed.  It's just that the current look is very, very sharp and clean, it would be hard to improve on it, and any time you open that can of worms you risk winding up with this:

I think you meant to post the animated .gif:

[Rita]

Actually, this is false, since change for change's sake is just aesthetic ADD, but I wouldn't put a sports jersey under the category of things which can't be changed.  It's just that the current look is very, very sharp and clean, it would be hard to improve on it, and any time you open that can of worms you risk winding up with this:

I think you meant to post the animated .gif:

The animated version is kind of cool. It would be a nice screen saver **].

[RichH]

The band regularly playing "Sweet Georgia Brown" is another along with the skating bear "stripping" during the last regular season game are also gone from the Lynah experience.

That was a wonderful tradition; I'm sad it has passed on.

FWIW, at least since the early 1990s, the song the band played (and looped endlessly) for the Bear-strip was titled "The Stripper," which has a similar feel to "Sweet Georgia Brown," but is more burlesque-y.  I'd try to find a link, but I'm sure a googling session with that search term would be an adventure my company's network administrators would frown upon.

[CUontheslopes]

It's not ugly, but I think many people here are biased, blinded if you will, by what the jersey stands for and not what it looks like. It's sharp, I agree, but to most outsiders, even those who love traditional jerseys, it's nothing special. I fall into that category. Even as a diehard fan, I think it's what's behind the jersey and not the jersey itself that's particularly special.

Some examples of uniforms which themselves are truly special are (1) ND's navy uniform with golden dome; (2) Michigan football (and to a lesser degree, hockey) uniforms; (3) Army and Navy's traditional football uniforms; (4) a VERY limited category of logo-ed uniforms like USC and Texas. Note, I agree, very few have logos. The sharpest ones are often the simplest.

Cornell's hockey jerseys, however, to most outsiders just seem unremarkable. OK - skewer me as you will.

[Rosey]

Also, please don't compare the Cornell uniforms, which are classic, with the Yankees', which are ungainly and ugly and have really only attained classic stature through longevity.

Strangely, I agree about the pinstripes... but I think the grey away jersey with the simple "NEW YORK" on the front and the three blue-white-blue stripes on the short sleeve ends (cuffs?) is clean and classic in the same way as the Cornell hockey jerseys: they are among my favorites.

[jtwcornell91]

I like the school crest on the shoulders, but not the bear logo (why asymmetric patches?)

I object to including the "I Would Found an Institution for Dummies" simplified coat of arms any more than it already is.  For me, this will always be the real coat of arms:


At the risk of sacrilege, I do like the coat of arms on the Hahvahd hockey jerseys, especially the dark ones.  It gives the CU-H games at Lynah a nice visual feel.

[jtwcornell91]

(we have a guy named Gotovets? WTF name is that!)

I imagine that someday we will have a player named Murphy.  And then the universe will collapse.

[CowbellGuy]

I like the school crest on the shoulders, but not the bear logo (why asymmetric patches?)

I object to including the "I Would Found an Institution for Dummies" simplified coat of arms any more than it already is.  For me, this will always be the real coat of arms:


At the risk of sacrilege, I do like the coat of arms on the Hahvahd hockey jerseys, especially the dark ones.  It gives the CU-H games at Lynah a nice visual feel.

From the style guide:

When a formal visual identity is required—in ceremonial applications such as the university flag, presidential podiums, and commencement
regalia—the full-color Cornell emblem should be used.
The Cornell emblem must be sized at 3" in diameter or larger in most applications. For smaller ceremonial items (invitations, note- cards, programs, etc.) the emblem may be sized at a minimum of 1".

So the full-color emblem has not been retired. I personally think it would be kind of busy for a jersey. For what it's worth, I'm also a big fan of the new one-color logo. I think they did a great job on it (and that's the last time you'll ever hear me compliment anything Tommy Bruce has so much as sneezed on).

[ugarte]

It's not ugly, but I think many people here are biased, blinded if you will, by what the jersey stands for and not what it looks like.

YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I WANTED THE OLD RED!

[jtwcornell91]

I like the school crest on the shoulders, but not the bear logo (why asymmetric patches?)

I object to including the "I Would Found an Institution for Dummies" simplified coat of arms any more than it already is.  For me, this will always be the real coat of arms:


At the risk of sacrilege, I do like the coat of arms on the Hahvahd hockey jerseys, especially the dark ones.  It gives the CU-H games at Lynah a nice visual feel.

From the style guide:

When a formal visual identity is required—in ceremonial applications such as the university flag, presidential podiums, and commencement
regalia—the full-color Cornell emblem should be used.
The Cornell emblem must be sized at 3" in diameter or larger in most applications. For smaller ceremonial items (invitations, note- cards, programs, etc.) the emblem may be sized at a minimum of 1".

So the full-color emblem has not been retired. I personally think it would be kind of busy for a jersey. For what it's worth, I'm also a big fan of the new one-color logo. I think they did a great job on it (and that's the last time you'll ever hear me compliment anything Tommy Bruce has so much as sneezed on).

Maybe I'm sentimental because I still have the red sweatshirt with the old coat of arms in white on the breast and a big white C on the back, which I wore to most football games on the Hill.  (It's the one I retired after our first Everblades championship and bring out only for championship games.)

[css228]

Also, please don't compare the Cornell uniforms, which are classic, with the Yankees', which are ungainly and ugly and have really only attained classic stature through longevity.

Strangely, I agree about the pinstripes... but I think the grey away jersey with the simple "NEW YORK" on the front and the three blue-white-blue stripes on the short sleeve ends (cuffs?) is clean and classic in the same way as the Cornell hockey jerseys: they are among my favorites.

Pinstripes look better in red, but then again, everything looks better in red.

[Al DeFlorio]

Also, please don't compare the Cornell uniforms, which are classic, with the Yankees', which are ungainly and ugly and have really only attained classic stature through longevity.

Strangely, I agree about the pinstripes... but I think the grey away jersey with the simple "NEW YORK" on the front and the three blue-white-blue stripes on the short sleeve ends (cuffs?) is clean and classic in the same way as the Cornell hockey jerseys: they are among my favorites.

Pinstripes look better in red, but then again, everything looks better in red.

And note there is no black outlining the script "P" on the cap or the word "Phillies" on the shirt (nor the number on the back, either).::banana::

[Trotsky]

I think you meant to post the animated .gif:

Thank you.  Where by "thank you" I mean damn you to hell.