Consecutive shutout minutes at Lynah?

[css228]

Maybe they're being mislead by the toothpaste boxes we throw on the ice when they come here. That seems like something a "rival" would do.

Don't they throw Big Red gum at us when we play at Starr? I've never been to a game up there, but I have heard they do that. Now, I thought that the toothpaste was for some suggestive clues about dental hygiene for their team. We really shouldn't encourage them. That's why they produce laughable videos like this.

Well I mean at least it gets their fans out to watch some hockey. A few weeks ago I was on USCHO forums trying to find out more about Austin Smith and ran across one poster who basically said you'd think the Colgate students think the team only has one home game a year. I'm fine with them having their one-sided rivalry, after all, that's kinda what our thing with BU has become. More history, and their fans still don't like us, but I think it bothers us way more when we don't play than it bothers them.

[css228]

The again the series did produce this takedown.

[Aaron M. Griffin]

Fair point. That takedown was one of the highlights of Scrivens's career at Cornell. I don't mind Colgate or Colgate hockey, I just find it curious that they think there is some history between us that clearly we do not acknowledge. Neither Harvard nor BU can deny that we have relevant history that lends itself to the development of a rivalry. I have never found anyone from Colgate who could justify why they dislike Cornell so much.

The BU rivalry has become one-sided. I don't think anyone on ELynah denies that. BU has a sense of superiority about their conference and their recent success, so they tend to act as if playing Cornell debases them.

[Ben]

He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

It's sort of like how Harvard is Cornell's biggest rival, but Harvard students in general don't recognize that Cornell exists. A lot of "rivalries" are one-sided.

Most Harvard students only pay attention to sports for The Game.

[Rosey]

He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

It's sort of like how Harvard is Cornell's biggest rival, but Harvard students in general don't recognize that Cornell exists. A lot of "rivalries" are one-sided.

Most Harvard students only pay attention to sports for The Game.

Well, that's sort of my point: we get pumped for beating Harvard because their hockey team pwn3d us for the decade 1985-1995, and it is simply not acceptable for Cornell to lose to Harvard both in the academic reputation game and at hockey. Harvard has no such inferiority complex to overcome with a sports rivalry. It's probably a wee bit more complex than this, but I don't think the situation warrants any further investigation: having been out of Cornell for 13 years now, my primary reaction to comparisons of college prestige is "Why should I care?" I've met plenty of awesome people from Cornell, Harvard, UMass, and Salem State, and plenty of useless people from each school, too.

[Trotsky]

having been out of Cornell for 13 years now, my primary reaction to comparisons of college prestige is "Why should I care?"

Grad school is where belief in school rankings goes to die.  As soon as you realize that, say, UT-Austin or Kansas State has a far better program than Cornell in some particular discipline, the whole idea of School A > School B collapses.  The granularity of real merit is much more fine than the university or even the college level, and it's constantly shifting as faculties change.

[Beeeej]

Fair point. That takedown was one of the highlights of Scrivens's career at Cornell. I don't mind Colgate or Colgate hockey, I just find it curious that they think there is some history between us that clearly we do not acknowledge. Neither Harvard nor BU can deny that we have relevant history that lends itself to the development of a rivalry. I have never found anyone from Colgate who could justify why they dislike Cornell so much.

I always figured it stemmed from:

http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_Tournament/ecac_tournament.html#1991
and
http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_Tournament/ecac_tournament.html#1996

Those weren't victories, they were absolute pastings.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

It's knowing what you want for your education (and life) which creates the level of precision that makes the generic ranking semi-worthless.  If every high schooler who was going to college knew what they wanted to major in with 90+ percent certainty, then the level of granularity you suggest would be essential. But since next to nobody knows what they want to be "when they grow up" with that level of precision, the rankings fill a niche.  An inaccurate niche, for certain, but they do have a value.

[gatefan]

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

[Jim Hyla]

Back in the old days,::dribble::I don't ever remember the game as having any great significance. But from their perspective, if not us, who can be their rival. The rest of NYS is already taken. I don't mind them using us as a rival, I just wish some of them would not be so obnoxious about it.

[Dafatone]

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

It seemed like a pretty big rivalry to me, but that's mostly because during my time (03-07) Colgate was one of the best teams.

[css228]

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

It seemed like a pretty big rivalry to me, but that's mostly because during my time (03-07) Colgate was one of the best teams.

Admittedly it was rush week, but this is my only experience with Colgate vs. Cornell. The only attendance that was worse in the student section all year (when students were around) was the second Huntsville game. This year Cornell plays Dartmouth and Harvard during rush week, but I'm more than willing to bet that the Harvard crowd won't remotely begin to have the empty spaces seen in the crowd in that video. Unfortunately, embedding has been disabled so you'll need to go to Youtube to watch, but I think it does really exemplify the difference in perception of the rivalry here on the hill.

[RichH]

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

Thanks for posting.

I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking.  I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

http://www.tbrw.info/cornell_History/cornell_Rivals.html

[Swampy]

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

Thanks for posting.

I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking.  I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

http://www.tbrw.info/cornell_History/cornell_Rivals.html

Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

[Trotsky]

I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking.  I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

http://www.tbrw.info/cornell_History/cornell_Rivals.html

I think I last edited that in 2009.  More than a subjective ranking of rivalries it demonstrates that I really need an editor...