Cu - 0 Yale - 6 final

[Rosey]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

[Trotsky]

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I was there for both blowout losses and didn't enjoy them any more than you did.

It would really help my argument if Yale won the national championship this year, so I'll be rooting for that.  

[Aaron M. Griffin]

I agree with your argument but not necessarily the Schafer-must-go conclusion that likely follows.  The fact that Cornell has not been able to respond to Yale's rise or its system in any meaningful way is very alarming.  If Cornell hockey and Schafer, as a coach, want to remain relevant in college hockey, both must come up with a response to Yale's system.

GAAAAH! I'm just going to stop reading here, because evidently you read only the sentence of my posts or you would have seen that I have written multiple times that I am not advocating anything like switching to the Yale system. When your reading comprehension improves, let me know and I'll give your posts further thought.

My reading comprehension is plenty high enough.  Perhaps it is you who should read more carefully.  I only quoted your post as a segway to analyze other, broader statements that have been made by others.  Nowhere did I imply or state that you stated that Cornell should abandon their system.  

There are others who contribute relevant and valid opinions other than you.  I was addressing the notion of some that Cornell should transition to a Yale-like system.  You are amiss if you are going to argue that no one has argued that on here.  I was merely addressing the necessity of making such changes that some have advocated.  Neither you nor I think it is convincing.  I agree with your general premise that Cornell's coaching staff has proven woefully inadequate in addressing the Yale challenge.  An answer to Yale can be found within Cornell's current system.

[Dafatone]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

[underskill]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

Miller, Agostino, etc.  They're not going away anytime soon even if they take a step back next year.

[Jim Hyla]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

If only 11/4 was really soon.

[Trotsky]

Miller, Agostino, etc.  They're not going away anytime soon even if they take a step back next year.

We'll see.  Those are good players but the thing that made Yale a killer was rolling four fast, lethal lines backed by experienced defense.  The graveyards are full of teams with just one great line.  How many ECAC titles did UVM's elves win?

[Towerroad]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

If only 11/4 was really soon.

Like hell! I am a fan of College Hockey but lets not forget that we have Lax and Baseball and SUMMER. I can wait for next Nov. I want my SUMMER first.

[ftyuv]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

If only 11/4 was really soon.

Like hell! I am a fan of College Hockey but lets not forget that we have Lax and Baseball and SUMMER. I can wait for next Nov. I want my SUMMER first.

I don't know who this Summer chick is, but I bet she looks hot in a parka!

[ugarte]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

You realize that you are talking about the team that is the #1 seed in the NCAA tournament, right? It isn't like Yale beat us, while struggling to win the conference and flailing through the OOC schedule. They are - by every conceivable measure except wishful thinking - a much better team than Cornell is this year. As Trotsky said above, the whipping post we've been tied to for the last few years reflects the talent that is passing through New Haven at a time when Cornell is trying to replace a series of classes that have had more NHL talent in program history.

I don't understand the carping from so many people after a season that was better than people expected it to be before the puck dropped on the Red/White game.

[ajh258]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

You realize that you are talking about the team that is the #1 seed in the NCAA tournament, right? It isn't like Yale beat us, while struggling to win the conference and flailing through the OOC schedule. They are - by every conceivable measure except wishful thinking - a much better team than Cornell is this year. As Trotsky said above, the whipping post we've been tied to for the last few years reflects the talent that is passing through New Haven at a time when Cornell is trying to replace a series of classes that have had more NHL talent in program history.

I don't understand the carping from so many people after a season that was better than people expected it to be before the puck dropped on the Red/White game.

We are not talking about the past ugarte, we are talking about the future. I don't think anyone will argue that this season was beyond expectations. However, the goal here is to avoid games like this in years to come, not pat ourselves on the back and say, "Oh it's because they were #1."

And everyone please stop with the talent thing. Yale has no NHL draft picks in their entire senior class. We had Nash/Nash/Scrivens/Greening and all those other guys last year and we still lost to them.

[cbuckser]

We are not talking about the past ugarte, we are talking about the future. I don't think anyone will argue that this season was beyond expectations. However, the goal here is to avoid games like this in years to come, not pat ourselves on the back and say, "Oh it's because they were #1."

And everyone please stop with the talent thing. Yale has no NHL draft picks in their entire senior class. We had Nash/Nash/Scrivens/Greening and all those other guys last year and we still lost to them.

A team that finishes in fourth place and gets to the conference championship game during a rebuilding year has a bright future.  Cornell is bringing in a very talented freshman class in the fall.  When those players become juniors and seniors (and some won't stay for four years), we can reevaluate whether Cornell is a first-rate D1 program.  Casey Jones has a reputation for being an excellent recruiter. So far, the recruiting results have looked good.  Let's see how those recruits perform as upperclassmen.

I strongly agree with the premise that the 2009-10 team fell short of expectations.  But, one underachieving team that was good instead of great does not mean that the program is doomed to disappoint us during its next peak.

Lastly, it's fallacious to assert that there has been no talent gap between Yale and Cornell because Cornell has had more NHL draft picks.  Lots of small, quick college players have tremendous success in college hockey despite getting overlooked in the draft.  Undrafted smurfs Martin St. Louis and Eric Perrin were quite formidable for UVM 15 years ago.  They comprised two thirds of the best line in the ECAC that I've seen in the last two decades.

[Robb]

They comprised two thirds 95% of the best line in the ECAC that I've seen in the last two decades.

FYP.  As the Harvard radio announcer put it, "My grandmother would score 30 points a year on a line with those two."

(JC Ruid, in case you were wondering)

[Towerroad]

We will disagree, but I don't think you can just "figure out" how to compete with a team that is simply head and shoulders superior to you

They may not figure out how to win, but they certainly should be able to figure out how not to lose 6-0 after several years of observation and planning.

I hate to go with "wait and see" as a strategy, but I think we'll find out soon whether Yale truly exploited some flaw in our strategy, or if it's just that this year's graduating class for Yale was absolutely stacked.

If only 11/4 was really soon.

Like hell! I am a fan of College Hockey but lets not forget that we have Lax and Baseball and SUMMER. I can wait for next Nov. I want my SUMMER first.

I don't know who this Summer chick is, but I bet she looks hot in a parka!

Better in a bikini by the shore

[marty]

They comprised two thirds 95% of the best line in the ECAC that I've seen in the last two decades.

FYP.  As the Harvard radio announcer put it, "My grandmother would score 30 points a year on a line with those two."

(JC Ruid, in case you were wondering)

Could we send this info to the Harvard coaches?  I'm sure she'd get a look and also would be an A student if she were to matriculate.
 
What is the consensus (there has been so much on elynah of late) as to why we almost stole the game from Yale in Ithaca this year? If the ref had seen the puck under Rondeau's pad the game would have had a more exciting ending.