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[ajh258]

Really? Because from where I'm sitting the goal here appears to be to whine every time Cornell doesn't make the final four and determinedly avoid the discussion of evidence that suggests that the fault is not endemic to the system but rather a short-term downturn in an otherwise stellar run. Different people take different approaches to this: you and Facetimer seem to think that a coaching change to a unicorn* is the answer while Kyle seems to think that the kids are texting during practice instead of doing passing drills.**

Is it a short term downturn? Again, it depends on what your definition of success and downturns are and, as mentioned before, it seems that your standards are just not as high. Of course you're going to say I'm complaining too much if you think the team has already met its goals. Taking personal shots at me for making suggestions might make you feel better, but it does not benefit the team. The attitude of content you have with our current performance demonstrates that you've given up on improving our team in a significant way. If that's true, please take a back seat and watch the rest of us at least try to make the program better. Additionally, I'm tired of trying to defend my position of not asking for a coaching change. Please read my previous posts before speaking.

The majority of us here think the answer is that anyone who expects Cornell to be the #1 team in the ECAC every year and a perpetual national title contender doesn't really pay attention to sports. Every team in every league has down years you ride out the storms when they are as mild as "lost in the ECAC championship game with a young team the year after losing most of the offense, an all-ECAC goalie and the #1 defenseman."

You're exaggerating our expectations and trying to make those of us who want to see the program better look like fools. Of course every team has up and downs, but I'm suggesting we try to move up the range of ups and downs. No one's asking for Frozen Four appearances every year, but does 2 or 3 times every decade sound that impossible? Right now, it doesn't look like we're on that track.

Also, I've never said the problem is with this year's team, yet you guys keep bringing this up over and over and over again.

Wow, I never knew we had the possibility of improving the team. Tell me how we can do it, I'll sign up.

Well, I guess I do know how we (I) can improve the team. You (I) contribute financially and spiritually (cheering, etc.). You (I) try and give them enough finances to succeed and provide enough of the Lynah atmosphere, that those who get turned on by that want to come here.

Past that, what we (I) do on this board is bullshit. I happened to like to bullshit, so I post a lot. But I certainly don't think I help the team by posting here. I hope no one in athletics spends much time here, or else I'm hurting the team, as their time would be a lot better spent doing other things.

How the h*ll (Yeah, I don't know why I can type bullshit and not this, so don't ask. OK?) you think we help the team by our mouthing off here, is beyond me. Maybe you can explain it sometime.

Again, what we do here is bullshit (as in talking, not that everything said is). It doesn't help or hurt the team. There, I'm glad I said it.::thud::

In appreciation of Jim's post I found this:





and this:

I guess. ::drunk::

[marty]

In appreciation of Jim's post I found this:





and this:

Thanks, I needed that.:-}

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[amerks127]

I'm disappointed that we have such low standards. No wonder student attendance has been declining.

As a current student I can tell you the exact reason why student attendance has been declining. I know tons of people who'd love to have season tickets and just can't afford to shell out $260 dollars. As a result the a lot of the people who replaced them are people who thought "it might be cool to see some hockey games" and aren't tested for their dedication through "the line". If "the line" were still in place as the proof to the Athletic Department of fan commitment, instead of money as the benchmark, you'd have a far more hardcore fan base that would show up every weekend. For example, it costs less to get season football tickets at PSU for students than it does for students to have season tickets to Cornell Hockey. The Athletic Department has outpriced their best customer base.

Sorry to jump back to an earlier line of discussion, but this is absolutely correct, and it's the reason I didn't get STs last year or this year: they're just too expensive, and as I've found the cost of individual game tickets adds up quickly as well.  This did mean that I was able to watch a fantastic basketball team and a great women's hockey team, but I'd prefer to be able to watch men's hockey as well.  I'm sure that the atmosphere for the women's games near the end of the season was directly related to the fact that those were free (with the exception of the NCAA game, when tickets were just $3).

However, the Penn State argument is not a fair comparison because they have significantly fewer home games.

Still we shouldn't be paying more than PSU students for big time DI football. Even if you dropped tickets by $3 a game (200 for students instead of 260), I'm sure you'd see a massive increase in student attendance.

We've been at this discussion (or variations on a theme) many times over the last three years.  For some background reading on ebilmes and my thoughts, and those of others on eLynah, see:

http://cornellsun.com/node/30396

http://cornellsun.com/node/32726

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,131245

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,132452

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,147616

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,154714

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,156069

[Josh '99]

My question from the beginning was: can we get the players for our style of play? We obviously cannot recruit Red Wings players, so that argument is moot. As I said, all the big, talented guys who work well for our style are being recruited by those western schools, which we cannot compete with due to our financial and academic constraints. Is the problem that we simply cannot pass? Is the problem recruiting? Schafer has had many years to figure these problems out and we still do not have a sustained NCAA tourney presence.

It seems short-sighted to say that "all the big, talented guys who work well for our style are being recruited by those western schools" (and, by implication, that we can't successfully recruit any of them), seemingly on the basis of one rebuilding year in which we still played in the conference championship game.  We've had those guys before, and we'll have them again.

[Towerroad]

Is it a short term downturn? Again, it depends on what your definition of success and downturns are and, as mentioned before, it seems that your standards are just not as high.

The level of success that you seem to expect hasn't existed at Cornell, with the exception of one three-year stretch, since before your parents met each other. So this is either a short-term downturn or the middle of an INCREDIBLY long shitshow that will continue forever.

Thank you for adding some much-needed sense to this ridiculous discussion.  Anyone who thinks Cornell is going to go out today and find another Ned Harkness who will recreate 1967-1970 is hallucinatory.  As someone asked above--and was never answered--who is this savior Cornell is magically going to hire?  Jerry York?

We really only need a few stands of Ned's DNA and a little patience. In fact we can make him better, Super Ned! But let's keep very careful control of this IP and never let it near Cambridge or New Haven. Or perhaps we could license it and solve our Endowment problems. In Ithaca did Great Neds spawn/ A stately hockey palace decree.

[Jim Hyla]

Is it a short term downturn? Again, it depends on what your definition of success and downturns are and, as mentioned before, it seems that your standards are just not as high.

The level of success that you seem to expect hasn't existed at Cornell, with the exception of one three-year stretch, since before your parents met each other. So this is either a short-term downturn or the middle of an INCREDIBLY long shitshow that will continue forever.

Thank you for adding some much-needed sense to this ridiculous discussion.  Anyone who thinks Cornell is going to go out today and find another Ned Harkness who will recreate 1967-1970 is hallucinatory.  As someone asked above--and was never answered--who is this savior Cornell is magically going to hire?  Jerry York?

We really only need a few stands of Ned's DNA and a little patience. In fact we can make him better, Super Ned! But let's keep very careful control of this IP and never let it near Cambridge or New Haven. Or perhaps we could license it and solve our Endowment problems. In Ithaca did Great Neds spawn/ A stately hockey palace decree.

I don't know, but I'm concerned that a few strands were left at Union.

[RatushnyFan]

{sigh}