The Jersey

[Towerroad]

As for the jerseys, someone heard from a certain AAD that the jerseys were not a mistake but ordered intentionally that way and no one told Schafer. If that's true, it's a whole other thing...

I can easily imagine some bean counter going for this jersey type to save a few bucks.

Why would this jersey be any less expensive than the traditional Cornell jersey?

Because it's the Detroit Red Wings blank.  I'm sure there are tons of these being manufactured, compared to our unique coloring/stripe combination, which I'm sure have to be custom ordered.  Same reason why these blanks were the ones used for PSP's replicas for a while.  The closest I've seen to our usual stripings are one of the Miami Redhawks' jerseys, and even those are slightly different because the red stripe is all the way at the bottom hem.

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.  Do we know that they (that is, what we're referring to as the "traditional" Cornell jerseys) actually do cost more, then?

Let me take a stab.

I estimate that the total run of sweaters for the men, women, and faithful is on the order of 3000 per season. For runs of this length machine set up is a meaningful part of the cost equations. Making one style for men, women and fans probably yields mfg cost savings which at the wholesale level means price savings.

There is one other big cost win. The sleeves for both the home and away sweaters are the same so I suspect there is some real set up savings in the sleeve production department. Instead of making 16 sleeve styles (4 sizes, 2 sides, 2 colors combos) they only have to make 8.

So, I suspect that these cost less to make and probably cost less to buy than the more complex older style. Rest assured though they will not cost you less in the CU Store.

That being said I like the old style with the narrower elbow band and home and away sleeves better.

Since you seem to have a decent handle on the practicalities of the manufacturing process, let me ask another question:  is the cost of machine setup mitigated at all by the fact that we're doing the same "special order" every year?  By which I mean, yes, your manufacturing equipment needs to be set up differently than it is to make Red Wings/BU-style sleeves, but it's the same different setup every year, as contrasted with the NHL in the 1990s where it seemed like every team was rolling out a new third jersey that would require a new manufacturing process every year.

I don't want to overstate my expertise in apparel mfg but I have worked for mfg companies for a long time. In my experience there is a mix of set ups. One time like programming a robot or stencils for PCB's. There is some of that in apparel. I believe most of the fabric cutting or lettering is done on CNC controlled equip and if the BU style is a standard style then there are costs to be avoided. My guess is that the bigger overhead cost is the actual production and with every job there is a period of set up and in this case it might be ordering and getting the right color materials on the equipment (Carnelian is not Crimson after all thank God!) Longer runs on fewer sku's is a classic formula for lowering mfg costs.

[Towerroad]

I suspect that when it comes to Campus speech codes and people taking grave offense at any idea that is right of center you and I might disagree but when it comes to gender equality is sports I have seen what a positive effect sports have had on my daughters and other girls I have coached to think any other way.

So of course we are on the same side. We both cheer for the Red and fully understand that Harvard Sucks!

LGR

[KeithK]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in (th)is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

Which, of course, is the whole point of "political correctness". Welcome to our side.:-D

Wearing different jerseys has nothing to do with gender equality. Oh sure, maybe if the women were forced to wear flimsy practice jerseys thee might be an issue but not based on style.

[The Rancor]

I like the old style better. Go Red.

[Jim Hyla]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in (th)is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

Which, of course, is the whole point of "political correctness". Welcome to our side.:-D

Wearing different jerseys has nothing to do with gender equality. Oh sure, maybe if the women were forced to wear flimsy practice jerseys thee might be an issue but not based on style.

Oh come on Keith, do you really think I have that narrow a view of gender equality. No, it was an opportunity too good to pass up. Smiley and all.

[David Harding]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
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After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
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"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

[cbuckser]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
...
After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
...
"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

I don't know, but I suspect the players didn't want to look like candy canes.

[Weder]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
...
After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
...
"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

I don't know, but I suspect the players didn't want to look like candy canes.

I can't find any pictures online, but I think the student-designed jerseys were different from the candy-cane jerseys of the late '90s (which were essentially old-school Red Wings jerseys). For what it's worth, one of the women's players once told me that the team liked the candy-cane jerseys.

[RichH]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
...
After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
...
"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

I don't know, but I suspect the players didn't want to look like candy canes.

I can't find any pictures online, but I think the student-designed jerseys were different from the candy-cane jerseys of the late '90s (which were essentially old-school Red Wings jerseys). For what it's worth, one of the women's players once told me that the team liked the candy-cane jerseys.

I thought the student-designed jerseys also had some shiny, metallic silver accents in them as well.

[David Harding]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
...
After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
...
"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

I don't know, but I suspect the players didn't want to look like candy canes.

I can't find any pictures online, but I think the student-designed jerseys were different from the candy-cane jerseys of the late '90s (which were essentially old-school Red Wings jerseys). For what it's worth, one of the women's players once told me that the team liked the candy-cane jerseys.

There is a photo in what was at the time known as Cornell Magazine.  It's a 48MB download of the whole issue, but on page 24 you can see them in glowing color.  

Also, the uniform had to make the women look tough, not like candy canes.

[cbuckser]

Sticking the (#1 ranked) women's team with what are perceived as inferior uniforms would probably not pass muster in the politically correct would of the University. I dislike political correctness but in is case both teams should wear the same uniform and each deserves our support.

Let's hope that when the puck drops this is a thing of the past.

What happened to the student-designed women's hockey uniforms from several years back?

The Cornell University women's ice hockey team has snazzy new uniforms, thanks to the creativity of a class of undergraduate students in textiles and apparel in the university's College of Human Ecology. Cornell is the only Ivy League university with a department of textiles and apparel; the project is a classic example of how faculty find "real life" interdisciplinary, practical challenges for students as vehicles for learning.
...
After a fashion show, of sorts, during which students presented their designs, the hockey players selected the uniform design by Adrianna Hirtler '99, an agricultural, resource and managerial economics major.
...
"We picked a uniform that had pizzazz and a touch of old-time flavor to it, with a tie eyelet that the old NHL [National Hockey League] uniforms had," says Carol Mullins, coach of the hockey team. "The lightweight nylon jersey has a nice gray mesh underarm cooling panel and numbers on the shoulders for visibility to the fans."

I don't know, but I suspect the players didn't want to look like candy canes.

I can't find any pictures online, but I think the student-designed jerseys were different from the candy-cane jerseys of the late '90s (which were essentially old-school Red Wings jerseys). For what it's worth, one of the women's players once told me that the team liked the candy-cane jerseys.

There is a photo in what was at the time known as Cornell Magazine.  It's a 48MB download of the whole issue, but on page 24 you can see them in glowing color.  

Also, the uniform had to make the women look tough, not like candy canes.

I stand corrected.

[TimV]

Did you think the Tredway era (80's) was worse than the approx 1974 shirt???

[Trotsky]

The '74 thing is a monstrosity. It could be a Canucks sweater.

[TimV]

Yeh...Worst Cornell Jersey ever.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

I think the '74 men's jersey was designed by students too.