Cornell 0 at Penn 34 football postgame, Cornell post-season

Started by billhoward, November 21, 2009, 11:06:51 PM

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billhoward

As was noted earlier, even with our reduced expectations, what happened at Penn was at the low end of possibilities.

What happens next? Has the death watch begun on the coaching staff? This is a sad time for Cornell football. It could have been a 4-6 and maybe 5-5 season, not 2-8. It also could have been 1-9; the Yale game was no runaway.

Most of all, I don't get why in five decades of Ivy League football, Cornell has managed three ties for the title and no outright wins when the law of averages says we should have won six or seven times. Sigh.

imafrshmn

It's hard to watch Coach Knowles's Preview interview of the Penn game and not get the impression that he's lying through his teeth and not deluded about his team's chances.
class of '09

RichH

Quote from: billhowardMost of all, I don't get why in five decades of Ivy League football, Cornell has managed three ties for the title and no outright wins when the law of averages says we should have won six or seven times. Sigh.

Ask the same question about Ivy basketball pre-2007.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: RichH
Quote from: billhowardMost of all, I don't get why in five decades of Ivy League football, Cornell has managed three ties for the title and no outright wins when the law of averages says we should have won six or seven times. Sigh.

Ask the same question about Ivy basketball pre-2007.
The coach makes the difference; I hope the AD can see that.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

phillysportsfan

Exactly right, over the last 8 seasons Donahue has been here the teams overall and conference record for the most part had a steady improvement every year, Knowles has produced the opposite result with some initial improvement but a decline over the last 4 years

CUontheslopes

Knowles is a great guy, but I think it's time for him to go. As pointed out by others, this is not a Donahue situation. Donahue's teams boosted their win total and Ivy win totals every year. The teams were clearly getting better (albeit slowly at times/slower than we might've wanted). Cornell football continues to get worse. I think it's time for a change at the top. It's a buyer's market now for talent with the economy in such bad shape.

ugarte

PRINCETON just fired their coach. I'm not sure that Knowles can survive this disaster. That said, I don't want to treat Cornell football to be anything like Notre Dame football. Cornell is doing so well in so many sports, a down couple of years in football isn't the end of the world. If the players are graduating on time I'm not going to sweat it if he gets another year or two to figure it out.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugartePRINCETON just fired their coach.
Yale's first-year coach may feel a bit of heat after his Belichick-like play call in yesterday's edition of "The Game."  With two-and-a-half minutes to go in the game, leading 10-7, and with fourth and 22 on Yale's 25-yard line, he called for a fake punt to go for the first down.  It failed, Harvard took over on Yale's 40, and scored the winning touchdown two or three plays later.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/22/sports/22-solomon.txt
Al DeFlorio '65

Jim Hyla

Quote from: ugartePRINCETON just fired their coach. I'm not sure that Knowles can survive this disaster. That said, I don't want to treat Cornell football to be anything like Notre Dame football. Cornell is doing so well in so many sports, a down couple of years in football isn't the end of the world. If the players are graduating on time I'm not going to sweat it if he gets another year or two to figure it out.
I won't sweat it either, I didn't this year; but I also didn't go to any games and I've been a season ticket holder for 30+ years. I'm sure there are many more like me.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Jim Hyla

Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: ugartePRINCETON just fired their coach.
Yale's first-year coach may feel a bit of heat after his Belichick-like play call in yesterday's edition of "The Game."  With two-and-a-half minutes to go in the game, leading 10-7, and with fourth and 22 on Yale's 25-yard line, he called for a fake punt to go for the first down.  It failed, Harvard took over on Yale's 40, and scored the winning touchdown two or three plays later.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/22/sports/22-solomon.txt
Must be something in that New England air.(Yes I know they played in Indy.) Have you felt it yet?
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Jordan 04

Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: ugartePRINCETON just fired their coach.
Yale's first-year coach may feel a bit of heat after his Belichick-like play call in yesterday's edition of "The Game."  With two-and-a-half minutes to go in the game, leading 10-7, and with fourth and 22 on Yale's 25-yard line, he called for a fake punt to go for the first down.  It failed, Harvard took over on Yale's 40, and scored the winning touchdown two or three plays later.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/22/sports/22-solomon.txt

I'm all for taking potshots and Belichick, but these two decisions aren't even close to comparable.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugartePRINCETON just fired their coach.
Northeastern took it one step further and just dropped the program.  Of course, they were relative newbies to the game.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVNG_ZOmPYr_i8rUZlnR2f-knbSQD9C57VR01
Al DeFlorio '65

TimV

Soooooo.....Is Knowles record better than the Princeton coach?::wtf::
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: TimVSoooooo.....Is Knowles record better than the Princeton coach?::wtf::
Hughes was 47-52 overall, according to the "relieved of duties" article on the Princeton athletics site, with a 9-1 season (only loss to...Cornell!) and Ivy championship in 2006 the high point.  Only three winning seasons in ten.
Al DeFlorio '65

TimV

Quote from: TimVSoooooo.....Is Knowles record better than the Princeton coach?::wtf::

Thanks Al.

(Answers own question) No.  Princeton Coach: 47% overall for ten seasons.  Cornell coach: 43% overall 38% Ivy for six seasons.::help::
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."