Cornell at Penn football pre-game

[billhoward]

Depressing. I've almost never missed a Cornell football game at Princeton or Penn. The ones I missed, I couldn't go, rather than didn't want to go. If I go this year, I get to see Cornell possibly extend its losing streak to eight and go 1-7 [edit: 1-6] in the Ivy League. Tailgating isn't half as nice as at Yale or Princeton. As with Yale Bowl, the stadium's 50-000-plus seats are a reminder that the Ivies' glory days are long, long past. The weather usually is bitterly cold, except this year the forecast calls for high 50s. Maybe that's enough. The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title - which could also happen if Yale takes down Harvard and we overcome Penn (right). Well, we've still got wrestling, hockey, basketball, and lacrosse. Is anybody going? I made it to 3 football games already although it went downhill after the first one, with the awesome tailgating at Yale and the dramatic victory when our drill instructor-inspired D held off that Yale 2-point conversion at the end. I hope next year turns out better. I feel sorry for the players.

[nyc94]

extend its losing streak to eight and go 1-7 in the Ivy League.

Worst we could do is 1-6 unless you're counting the loss to Colgate who as we all know was invited to join the Ivy League but turned it down.

[billhoward]

You're right. We can't play ourselves, which would be one way to halt - or extend? - the streak.

[jtwcornell91]

The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

[phillysportsfan]

The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

[Josh '99]

The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

[ugarte]

The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

Penn has an actual reputation in basketball outside of the Ivy League. Not that they are North Carolina or anything, but winning the Ivy football title isn't exactly the same thing as making the Sweet 16.

[Josh '99]

The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

Penn has an actual reputation in basketball outside of the Ivy League. Not that they are North Carolina or anything, but winning the Ivy football title isn't exactly the same thing as making the Sweet 16.

True, but irrelevant in that we're talking specifically about winning the Ivy title.  Penn has been a powerhouse in Ivy football in the recent past just as much as they have in basketball.  (While they haven't won as many football titles as basketball since, say, 1980, they haven't had a foil in football on par with Princeton in basketball either.)

Getting back to the original point, I can see where Bill was coming from, since this is a hockey board and people who are hockey fans first and foremost might tend to de-emphasize the Penn rivalry (which is, perhaps, as much of a one-sport rivalry as the Harvard rivalry or, in the spring, the Princeton rivalry) since the pansies dropped their program rather than take their whippings like adults.

[billhoward]

If you mean Penn dropping hockey, that must have outraged a bunch of alumni who built the Quakers a pretty nice rink (Class of '23 Rink) in the late sixties only to see Penn drop the sport circa 1972. I believe it had a glassed in booth on steel piers at center ice where those alums and others who cared about hockey could watch without being drowned out by the thousands - hundreds? - of other Penn fans.

Sure, Cornell and Penn have had a great football rivalry but it was ancient and pretty much past history when Ed Marinaro roamed Schoellkopf and Franklin Field and since the majority of Cornellians were born after Marinaro played, even he must seem ancient. The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet. (Sort of like the Julia Roberts (?) line about women in film: Your roles are babe, assistant D.A., and Driving Miss Daisy.)

When you see an almost empty Yale Bowl in September (and spent the next couple days picking sharp edged paint chips out of your butt) that's a reminder of long-faded glory. Franklin Field is worse because the steel girders and overhang make it look like something out of fright movie, plus it's usually bitterly cold. It's good for Penn that it can win at something.

[Dpperk29]

(and spent the next couple days picking sharp edged paint chips out of your butt)

Now that is exactly the mental image I needed to wake me up and get me going this morning...

[nyc94]

The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

[Josh '99]

The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

Was that the one with Alyssa Milano?

[nyc94]

The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

Was that the one with Alyssa Milano?

No.  And it wasn't the one with Drew Barrymore either.  Each of the three major broadcast networks made a movie and thankfully I was out of the country when they aired in late 1992/early 1993.  From what I just found in a New York Times piece from 1993, CBS had "Casualties of Love: The 'Long Island Lolita' Story" starring Alyssa Milano which was based on rights bought from the Buttafuocos.  NBC had "Amy Fisher: My Story" which starred Marinaro and Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).  NBC paid Amy Fisher for her story.  ABC had "The Amy Fisher Story" starring Drew Barrymore.  If I recall correctly, Saturday Night Live made fun of this with promos for Masterpiece Theater's take on the story as well as BET's.

[billhoward]

No.  And it wasn't the one with Drew Barrymore either.  Each of the three major broadcast networks made a movie and thankfully I was out of the country when they aired in late 1992/early 1993.  From what I just found in a New York Times piece from 1993, CBS had "Casualties of Love: The 'Long Island Lolita' Story" starring Alyssa Milano which was based on rights bought from the Buttafuocos.  NBC had "Amy Fisher: My Story" which starred Marinaro and Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).  NBC paid Amy Fisher for her story.  ABC had "The Amy Fisher Story" starring Drew Barrymore.  If I recall correctly, Saturday Night Live made fun of this with promos for Masterpiece Theater's take on the story as well as BET's.

eLynah - priceless. Who needs Wikipedia or IMDB? Thank you.

[jtwcornell91]

Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).

Sort of.

I have to say, I didn't even know this existed.