ECAC's moving to Atlantic City in 2011

[Josh '99]

[quote billhoward]The more you look at a map, the more you wonder: Who ticked off whom in the Albany-ECAC negotiations? Or did Atlantic City just overpay? Or is there an innocent explanation?[/quote]I think it's already been established that Atlantic City made a strong financial offer, which is an innocent explanation; there's nothing wrong, per se, with the league looking out for its bottom line.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote billhoward]

Draw a ring arounde the outer circle of ECAC school plus spokes from each school into Albany and it's even easier to see how Albany, charmless as it is, made sense.[/quote]

That's not the best way to get to Albany from Ithaca, or the North Country. ::drive::

[billhoward]

You're right. I think the plot is Ithaca to Colgate to Albany not Ithaca direct to Albany. And the outer ring is the indicated fastest not shortest distance. Mostly I'm in awe of the legs this thread has.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]We also had one year in there with Vermont coming to Albany.  And they travel very well.  If I had to guess that may be the peak year for attendance in Albany.[/quote]You're right. 2005 CU, UVM, HVD, & "gate". 16,000 fans.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]The more you look at a map, the more you wonder: Who ticked off whom in the Albany-ECAC negotiations? Or did Atlantic City just overpay? Or is there an innocent explanation?[/quote]I think it's already been established that Atlantic City made a strong financial offer, which is an innocent explanation; there's nothing wrong, per se, with the league looking out for its bottom line.[/quote]Except, of course, that bottom line is coming out of our pockets. Now I don't mind if they put out a better product; but personally, I don't think that AC is the better product. Now, if they were to go to Boston, I think that would be a better product and I'd spend more for it.

[scoop85]

Albany is about 1/2 the distance from my home to AC, but I have no problem with this move.  Last year it seemed as if no one[was in that depressing arena either night, and it certainly didn't feel like a big time event.  At least this move might give the tournament a bit of juice that has clearly been lacking the last few years.

[Trotsky]

ECAC Polar Bear Club.  Who's with me?

[Rosey]

[quote Trotsky]ECAC Polar Bear Club.  Who's with me?[/quote]
I will point and laugh.  Does that count?

[redice]

[quote Josh '99][quote redice]And, if we're going to go that far (from Ithaca to Providence), why not just go back to Boston where we can all have a great time!! ;-)

I know, I know.    It's not gonna happen in my life.....::cry::[/quote]Because Boston sucks.  F Boston.[/quote]

In the eye of the beholder, my friend!!   We always found far more to do in Boston (in the non-hockey hours) than any other tournament venue.  And, those tournaments, themselves,  were an absolute blast.

I don't expect to convince you.   But, want it said that Boston was fun for some of us.::rolleyes::

[Josh '99]

[quote jtwcornell91]That's not the best way to get to Albany from Ithaca, or the North Country. ::drive::[/quote]There's no GOOD way to get to Albany from Ithaca.

[Josh '99]

[quote redice][quote Josh '99][quote redice]And, if we're going to go that far (from Ithaca to Providence), why not just go back to Boston where we can all have a great time!! ;-)

I know, I know.    It's not gonna happen in my life.....::cry::[/quote]Because Boston sucks.  F Boston.[/quote]

In the eye of the beholder, my friend!!   We always found far more to do in Boston (in the non-hockey hours) than any other tournament venue.  And, those tournaments, themselves,  were an absolute blast.

I don't expect to convince you.   But, want it said that Boston was fun for some of us.::rolleyes::[/quote]Oh, I'm not disputing that you had fun there.  Mine was more of a categorical statement than one relating to its merits as a tournament site.  :-)

[Josh '99]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]The more you look at a map, the more you wonder: Who ticked off whom in the Albany-ECAC negotiations? Or did Atlantic City just overpay? Or is there an innocent explanation?[/quote]I think it's already been established that Atlantic City made a strong financial offer, which is an innocent explanation; there's nothing wrong, per se, with the league looking out for its bottom line.[/quote]Except, of course, that bottom line is coming out of our pockets. Now I don't mind if they put out a better product; but personally, I don't think that AC is the better product. Now, if they were to go to Boston, I think that would be a better product and I'd spend more for it.[/quote]Which, of course, is one of the reasons we're all upset.  From our standpoint, it sucks that we're projected (and, I suppose, going to be "expected") to spend more.  From the ECAC's standpoint, it's good that we're going to be spending more and some of that money will flow back to them.

[ftyuv]

[quote Josh '99][quote redice][quote Josh '99][quote redice]And, if we're going to go that far (from Ithaca to Providence), why not just go back to Boston where we can all have a great time!! ;-)

I know, I know.    It's not gonna happen in my life.....::cry::[/quote]Because Boston sucks.  F Boston.[/quote]

In the eye of the beholder, my friend!!   We always found far more to do in Boston (in the non-hockey hours) than any other tournament venue.  And, those tournaments, themselves,  were an absolute blast.

I don't expect to convince you.   But, want it said that Boston was fun for some of us.::rolleyes::[/quote]Oh, I'm not disputing that you had fun there.  Mine was more of a wrong statement than one relating to its merits as a tournament site.  :-)[/quote]

FYP **]

[billhoward]

[quote Josh '99][quote Jim Hyla][quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]The more you look at a map, the more you wonder: Who ticked off whom in the Albany-ECAC negotiations? Or did Atlantic City just overpay? Or is there an innocent explanation?[/quote]I think it's already been established that Atlantic City made a strong financial offer, which is an innocent explanation; there's nothing wrong, per se, with the league looking out for its bottom line.[/quote]Except, of course, that bottom line is coming out of our pockets. Now I don't mind if they put out a better product; but personally, I don't think that AC is the better product. Now, if they were to go to Boston, I think that would be a better product and I'd spend more for it.[/quote]Which, of course, is one of the reasons we're all upset.  From our standpoint, it sucks that we're projected (and, I suppose, going to be "expected") to spend more.  From the ECAC's standpoint, it's good that we're going to be spending more and some of that money will flow back to them.[/quote]
Do we know if tickets will cost more as a result of moving to Atlantic City? Or do we mean the weekend as a whole including apparently costlier hotel rooms? The NCAA practices yield management for the basketball final four, hockey FF too, as does the NFL for the Super Bowl and finds no apparent upper limit on what we'll pay. The ECACHL has a lower pain threshhold but I recall tickets were around $20, $25 a game. I thought the NCAA's $38 a person per day for lacrosse final four tickets was high but we still went, on account of how many chances do we get?

[Beeeej]

[quote billhoward][quote Josh '99]Which, of course, is one of the reasons we're all upset.  From our standpoint, it sucks that we're projected (and, I suppose, going to be "expected") to spend more.  From the ECAC's standpoint, it's good that we're going to be spending more and some of that money will flow back to them.[/quote]
Do we know if tickets will cost more as a result of moving to Atlantic City? Or do we mean the weekend as a whole including apparently costlier hotel rooms? The NCAA practices yield management for the basketball final four, hockey FF too, as does the NFL for the Super Bowl and finds no apparent upper limit on what we'll pay. The ECACHL has a lower pain threshhold but I recall tickets were around $20, $25 a game. I thought the NCAA's $38 a person per day for lacrosse final four tickets was high but we still went, on account of how many chances do we get?[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if the game tickets are a little higher than they have been.  But it sounded to me like the city, not the venue itself, had put together the bid, so they're expecting us to spend more in AC in general than we had in Albany, therefore they'll get a greater overall benefit and could afford what they bid.  If that weren't the case, all Albany would've had to do in order to keep the tournament there is increase their bid and plan to raise ticket prices accordingly.