Cornell-Bemidji NCAA regionals postgame

Trotsky · April 01, 2009, 12:04:08 PM

[quote HockeyMan]He's not strong enough on the puck currently, which is why I would rate Greening a better NHL prospect at present.[/quote]

It was shocking how effectively both NU and Bemidji contained Riley.

Greening, OTOH... man, if he had just had a little luck at finding the net in the first period, that's a 2-0 lead and a trip to DC. But I'm not bitter. :-(

I still think Greening and both Nash brothers have the chops to be All-Americans. A team with all of them returning, a healthy Gallagher, some competition in net, and two major league blue chip D prospects coming in would really be special.

Rita · April 01, 2009, 04:33:22 PM

[quote RichH][cliche] Not much more I can say on this thread. [/cliche] Everything I had wanted to say has already been said somewhere here.

The pain is more as a result of the inability to capitalize on a remarkable external situation instead of the greatness of the team. And for that reason, I'm much less hurt than '03 or '05/'06. I never expected the FF this year. To toot my own horn:

QuoteRe: Are we that good? (Cornell after 10 games)
Posted by: RichH (76.28.11.---)
Date: December 07, 2008 05:50PM

A 1-2 game stint in the NCAAs is a very reachable goal for this team. And they're fun to watch. I'm very happy right now.

And I'm still happy, and proud. The post I said that on was about a lack of "finishing" by this team, and they gave us some very memorable finishes in the past couple of weeks. Thanks, team.

The best therapies in order:

1) Going directly to the BOB after the game. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
2) Watching everything Marty has put up on YouTube. Multiple times. Thank you so much, Marty.
3) Reading this thread.
4) Repeat step #2[/quote]

Yes, those $2 pints at the BOB did help drown some sorrows. ::drunk::

I thought the Wisconsin loss was more painful because of how long that game went knowing just one weird bounce was all we needed.

After a few days, I too am happy with how the season went. Yes, the BSU loss hurt, because we know that if we had gotten by them, we would have had a decent shot in DC.

Unfortunately, our chances of landing a recruit who can find the back of the net > 75 % of the time is slim (I think we would have a better chance at a rule change allowing a team to decline a PP); thus I realize and accept that we will be a team that needs to win games 1-0, 2-1. However, to get that 2nd goal, as many others have mentioned, we need a much better PP. Is it that Schafer has an unchangeable PP scheme, our players are not creative enough moving without the puck, or lack of trust on the part of the players and/or coaching staff that in allowing too much off the puck movement?

There was a glimmer of hope on some PPs this weekend, when the point man would see an open lane and take the puck to the net. That should create some confusion with the D allowing us to either take the shot or find an open man down low.

Overall a very good season and here's hoping that the BSU loss fuels the returning players during their off-season workouts.

upperdeck · April 01, 2009, 08:17:07 PM

[quote Dpperk29][quote upperdeck]next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.[/quote]

That can't be determined yet. Recruits might look good on paper, but no one knows how they'll react to the pace of the college game.

Really tough to judge how good a recruiting class is until they have a year or more under their belt.[/quote]

I know we wont really know for awhile.. but for the coach to come out and be this excited is something good. as for nash/greening i think it just comes out to how much money they get offered. I think both have issues projecting into the pro game with the lack of speed.

srg1 · April 01, 2009, 09:37:10 PM

Moulson scored more goals in each of his last three years than the leaders of the 2008-09 team. He disappeared periodically, but he was a threat unlike what we had this past year.

http://db.elynah.com/player.php?id=44

Jim Hyla · April 01, 2009, 10:00:09 PM

[quote srg1]Moulson scored more goals in each of his last three years than the leaders of the 2008-09 team. He disappeared periodically, but he was a threat unlike what we had this past year.

http://db.elynah.com/player.php?id=44[/quote]I agree that Moulson was a good scorer. My point was that people were complaining about him as well. People complained about our PP when it was reasonably successful. I guess my point is people complain.::doh::

And Rita, I know you said it in jest, but don't give up our PP chances. If we had them the whole game and it took 2 min for each score, we'd have 30 PPs per game and be scoring 4.5 goals a game.**]

Rita · April 01, 2009, 10:05:48 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote srg1]Moulson scored more goals in each of his last three years than the leaders of the 2008-09 team. He disappeared periodically, but he was a threat unlike what we had this past year.

http://db.elynah.com/player.php?id=44[/quote]I agree that Moulson was a good scorer. My point was that people were complaining about him as well. People complained about our PP when it was reasonably successful. I guess my point is people complain.::doh::

And Rita, I know you said it in jest, but don't give up our PP chances. If we had them the whole game and it took 2 min for each score, we'd have 30 PPs per game and be scoring 4.5 goals a game.**][/quote]

So can we clone RPI's Burgdoerfer and give each team we play one of the clones? Even if the Burgdoerfer clone spends only half the game in the box, we would have a chance, by your math, to get 2 PP/game. ;-)

It just seems that our PP at times kills any momentum that he had going at the time of the call.

Jim Hyla · April 01, 2009, 10:06:41 PM

To reinforce what others have said, look at these stats:

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Score by Period	1	2	3	ot	Tot.
        Cornell	26	31	32	2	91
       Opponent	15      26      32      1       74

We get worse as the game goes on. I didn't look up prior years, but I'd bet like others, that we used to get better as the game went on.

Jim Hyla · April 01, 2009, 10:09:49 PM

[quote Rita][quote Jim Hyla][quote srg1]Moulson scored more goals in each of his last three years than the leaders of the 2008-09 team. He disappeared periodically, but he was a threat unlike what we had this past year.

http://db.elynah.com/player.php?id=44[/quote]I agree that Moulson was a good scorer. My point was that people were complaining about him as well. People complained about our PP when it was reasonably successful. I guess my point is people complain.::doh::

And Rita, I know you said it in jest, but don't give up our PP chances. If we had them the whole game and it took 2 min for each score, we'd have 30 PPs per game and be scoring 4.5 goals a game.**][/quote]

So can we clone RPI's Burgdoerfer and give each team we play one of the clones? Even if the Burgdoerfer clone spends only half the game in the box, we would have a chance, by your math, to get 2 PP/game. ;-)

It just seems that our PP at times kills any momentum that he had going at the time of the call.[/quote]I don't disagree with your last statement, and jeez you are fast.::burnout::

Trotsky · April 02, 2009, 09:15:21 AM

[quote Jim Hyla]To reinforce what others have said, look at these stats:

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Score by Period	1	2	3	ot	Tot.
        Cornell	26	31	32	2	91
       Opponent	15      26      32      1       74

We get worse as the game goes on. I didn't look up prior years, but I'd bet like others, that we used to get better as the game went on.[/quote]

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2008-09

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  26  31  32  3   92 | 335  330  331  26 1022 |  19  15  20  2   56 | 190  192  193  12  587
Opponents                           |  15  26  32  1   74 | 304  312  322  28  966 |   9  15  16  1   41 | 191  186  215  13  605
Difference                          | +11  +5  +0 +2  +18 | +31  +18   +9  -2  +56 | +10  +0  +4 +1  +15 |  -1   +6  -22  -1  -18


2007-08

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  24  41  35  2  102 | 280  326  342   9  957 |  16  23  19  2   60 | 164  192  191   4  551
Opponents                           |  23  24  31  0   78 | 340  361  311  14 1026 |  12  17  14  0   43 | 191  206  187   8  592
Difference                          |  +1 +17  +4 +2  +24 | -60  -35  +31  -5  -69 |  +4  +6  +5 +2  +17 | -27  -14   +4  -4  -41


2006-07

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  34  31  25  0   90 | 303  316  293   7  919 |  25  20  19  0   64 | 222  219  203   7  651
Opponents                           |  25  20  32  1   78 | 239  273  240  11  763 |  17  13  25  0   55 | 173  203  178   9  563
Difference                          |  +9 +11  -7 -1  +12 | +64  +43  +53  -4 +156 |  +8  +7  -6 +0   +9 | +49  +16  +25  -2  +88


2005-06

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  30  32  33  4   99 | 324  360  355  60 1099 |  20  18  21  2   61 | 211  219  218   7  655
Opponents                           |  29  25  22  1   77 | 267  284  258  46  855 |  19  15  14  0   48 | 166  175  161   8  510
Difference                          |  +1  +7 +11 +3  +22 | +57  +76  +97 +14 +244 |  +1  +3  +7 +2  +13 | +45  +44  +57  -1 +145


2004-05

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  34  49  26  3  112 | 344  378  284  19 1025 |  22  31  15  2   70 | 221  234  181   6  642
Opponents                           |  15  11  17  2   45 | 276  276  250  28  830 |   6   6  13  1   26 | 150  181  163   9  503
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2003-04

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  29  26  29  1   85 | 292  291  283  22  888 |  19  15  19  0   53 | 194  201  189  11  595
Opponents                           |  23  19  19  1   62 | 228  254  255   9  746 |  13   9   9  1   32 | 147  183  170   4  504
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2002-03

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  46  47  37  3  133 | 350  374  323  21 1068 |  30  37  22  0   89 | 230  247  209   8  694
Opponents                           |  15  16  17  1   49 | 246  248  243  16  753 |   8  10  10  1   29 | 144  156  142   3  445
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2001-02

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  29  51  38  0  118 | 369  357  304  30 1060 |  17  33  24  0   74 | 242  237  188   6  673
Opponents                           |  20  19  20  4   63 | 265  260  277  41  843 |  10   9  13  2   34 | 166  161  167  10  504
Difference                          |  +9 +32 +18 -4  +55 |+104  +97  +27 -11 +217 |  +7 +24 +11 -2  +40 | +76  +76  +21  -4 +16

Josh '99 · April 02, 2009, 09:36:15 AM

[quote Trotsky]

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2002-03

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  46  47  37  3  133 | 350  374  323  21 1068 |  30  37  22  0   89 | 230  247  209   8  694
Opponents                           |  15  16  17  [b][color=red]1[/color][/b]   49 | 246  248  243  16  753 |   8  10  10  1   29 | 144  156  142   3  445
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[/quote]That goal shouldn't have counted. ::cuss::

Jacob '06 · April 02, 2009, 02:00:46 PM

That '02-'03 team was pretty good, eh?

DeltaOne81 · April 02, 2009, 02:25:49 PM

[quote Josh '99][quote Trotsky]

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2002-03

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  46  47  37  3  133 | 350  374  323  21 1068 |  30  37  22  0   89 | 230  247  209   8  694
Opponents                           |  15  16  17  [b][color=red]1[/color][/b]   49 | 246  248  243  16  753 |   8  10  10  1   29 | 144  156  142   3  445
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[/quote]That goal shouldn't have counted. ::cuss::[/quote]

That was the Colgate game, right? I thought it was in.

Josh '99 · April 02, 2009, 03:53:29 PM

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Josh '99][quote Trotsky]

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2002-03

Scoring/Shots (Overall|Conference)  | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG | 1st 2nd 3rd OT  TOT | 1st  2nd  3rd  OT  SOG
Cornell                             |  46  47  37  3  133 | 350  374  323  21 1068 |  30  37  22  0   89 | 230  247  209   8  694
Opponents                           |  15  16  17  [b][color=red]1[/color][/b]   49 | 246  248  243  16  753 |   8  10  10  1   29 | 144  156  142   3  445
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[/quote]That goal shouldn't have counted. ::cuss::[/quote]

That was the Colgate game, right? I thought it was in.[/quote]It was in because Lenny was interfered with.

RichH · April 02, 2009, 08:21:21 PM

[quote Josh '99][quote DeltaOne81][quote Josh '99][quote Trotsky]

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2002-03

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Cornell                             |  46  47  37  3  133 | 350  374  323  21 1068 |  30  37  22  0   89 | 230  247  209   8  694
Opponents                           |  15  16  17  [b][color=red]1[/color][/b]   49 | 246  248  243  16  753 |   8  10  10  1   29 | 144  156  142   3  445
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[/quote]That goal shouldn't have counted. ::cuss::[/quote]

That was the Colgate game, right? I thought it was in.[/quote]It was in because Lenny was interfered with.[/quote]

Meh. A regular season game that by March was completely meaningless. It didn't cost us 1st seed in the ECAC tournament, the ECAC Championship, or the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament. You want to get mad at a call, get mad at the high stick call in Buffalo.

Dammit, why'd you make me drag that up? Now I have to think about it. ::cry::

jtwcornell91 · April 02, 2009, 10:05:51 PM

[quote RichH][quote Josh '99][quote DeltaOne81]
That was the Colgate game, right? I thought it was in.[/quote]It was in because Lenny was interfered with.[/quote]

Meh. A regular season game that by March was completely meaningless. It didn't cost us 1st seed in the ECAC tournament, the ECAC Championship, or the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament.[/quote]

But it cost those of us who were watching the Colgate video feed the extreme annoyance of listening to their homer student announcers celebrating. ::flipd::