Cornell-Bemidji NCAA regionals postgame

[BCrespi]

[quote min][quote srg1]The Cornell team overall is a poor skating team and pretty short on talent. [/quote]

Is poor skating one of the team's problems? Doesn't Cornell own one of those few skating treadmills in the country? (I seem to remember watching a video about it). In any case, I'm not disagreeing with you, but was just wondering.[/quote]

If I bought a skating treadmill, I doubt it would make me and twenty of my friends one of the better skating teams in the country.  I'm not sure what exactly a training device does for a team, but surely it's mere presence is not enough to eliminate all skating problems a team may have.  

I'm not saying this isn't a good skating team, just bringing up the fact that a lot of fat people own treadmills, if you catch my drift.

[CowbellGuy]

Video of the skating treadmill

[tretiak]

Mike Devin has a ferocious shot (I speak from experience). He also has no accuracy with it...

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote tretiak]

Mike Devin has a ferocious shot (I speak from experience). He also has no accuracy with it...[/quote]
Do we have a shooting treadmill?::blush::

[Josh '99]

[quote tretiak]

Mike Devin has a ferocious shot (I speak from experience). He also has no accuracy with it...[/quote]That was also true of Douglas Murray when he was younger; it's certainly possible that Devin's accuracy will improve.  (And, regardless of how accurate his shot is or isn't, it was unfortunately not a factor on Sunday.)

[KeithK]

[quote Josh '99][quote tretiak]

Mike Devin has a ferocious shot (I speak from experience). He also has no accuracy with it...[/quote]That was also true of Douglas Murray when he was younger; it's certainly possible that Devin's accuracy will improve.  (And, regardless of how accurate his shot is or isn't, it was unfortunately not a factor on Sunday.)[/quote]The large number of NHL goals he has racked up attest to Murray's improved accuracy. :-D

[lynah80]

[quote Trotsky][quote oceanst41]2003, 2005, and 2006 made sure that other teams paid for their mistakes. This team never had that killer instinct (except for maybe Barlow during the playoff run), and no lead was ever really safe it seemed.[/quote]

It's hard to tell whether this was an absence of killer instinct or just killers.  The three teams mentioned were incredibly intimidating.  This year's team did not have that "back alley / broken bottle" mystique.  They were solid, and talented, but they didn't have the mean streak.

This may just indicate that hockey as a whole is moving away from that.[/quote]

... which is probably in everyone's best interest in the long term.

[upperdeck]

remember coach was really setting his sites on next yr, even before the playoffs started, as being the year they make a run. and thats with expecting Greening and Nash to leave.  next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.

[Dpperk29]

[quote upperdeck]next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.[/quote]

That can't be determined yet. Recruits might look good on paper, but no one knows how they'll react to the pace of the college game.

Really tough to judge how good a recruiting class is until they have a year or more under their belt.

[lynah80]

[quote upperdeck]remember coach was really setting his sites on next yr, even before the playoffs started, as being the year they make a run. and thats with expecting Greening and Nash to leave.  next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.[/quote]

Based on what has been written in the press about Greening's academic record, I think he will stay.  Riley Nash is probably the biggest risk for early graduation at Cornell.  When he started, he was quoted as saying that he doubted he would stay at Cornell for all 4 years.  Another concern is that he was on the ice a lot in defensive roles this year, which took some of the jump out of his offensive game.  In 2008, he was with the Oilers in their pre-season camp, so he has some idea for what to expect.  If we are lucky, he will want to play with Brendon for another year.  If we are really lucky, he has developed an appreciation for higher learning and will want to complete his degree.  Maybe Mike will put an A on Riley's sweater to encourage him to stay.  He could use the extra to time to build some more muscle.

[Jacob '06]

[quote lynah80][quote upperdeck]remember coach was really setting his sites on next yr, even before the playoffs started, as being the year they make a run. and thats with expecting Greening and Nash to leave.  next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.[/quote]

Based on what has been written in the press about Greening's academic record, I think he will stay.  Riley Nash is probably the biggest risk for early graduation at Cornell.  When he started, he was quoted as saying that he doubted he would stay at Cornell for all 4 years.  Another concern is that he was on the ice a lot in defensive roles this year, which took some of the jump out of his offensive game.  In 2008, he was with the Oilers in their pre-season camp, so he has some idea for what to expect.  If we are lucky, he will want to play with Brendon for another year.  If we are really lucky, he has developed an appreciation for higher learning and will want to complete his degree.  Maybe Mike will put an A on Riley's sweater to encourage him to stay.  He could use the extra to time to build some more muscle.[/quote]

Didn't he do an interview earlier this year where he essentially said he thinks his best shot is as a defensive 3rd line center in the NHL, so learning the defensive side of the game is a good thing?

[lynah80]

[quote Jacob '06][quote lynah80][quote upperdeck]remember coach was really setting his sites on next yr, even before the playoffs started, as being the year they make a run. and thats with expecting Greening and Nash to leave.  next yrs recruiting class is his best ever.[/quote]

Based on what has been written in the press about Greening's academic record, I think he will stay.  Riley Nash is probably the biggest risk for early graduation at Cornell.  When he started, he was quoted as saying that he doubted he would stay at Cornell for all 4 years.  Another concern is that he was on the ice a lot in defensive roles this year, which took some of the jump out of his offensive game.  In 2008, he was with the Oilers in their pre-season camp, so he has some idea for what to expect.  If we are lucky, he will want to play with Brendon for another year.  If we are really lucky, he has developed an appreciation for higher learning and will want to complete his degree.  Maybe Mike will put an A on Riley's sweater to encourage him to stay.  He could use the extra to time to build some more muscle.[/quote]

Didn't he do an interview earlier this year where he essentially said he thinks his best shot is as a defensive 3rd line center in the NHL, so learning the defensive side of the game is a good thing?[/quote]

Sorry, I don't know.  This is interesting:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/riley_nash

[RichH]

[cliche] Not much more I can say on this thread. [/cliche]  Everything I had wanted to say has already been said somewhere here.

The pain is more as a result of the inability to capitalize on a remarkable  external situation instead of the greatness of the team.  And for that reason, I'm much less hurt than '03 or '05/'06. I never expected the FF this year.  To toot my own horn:

Re: Are we that good? (Cornell after 10 games)
Posted by: RichH (76.28.11.---)
Date: December 07, 2008 05:50PM

A 1-2 game stint in the NCAAs is a very reachable goal for this team. And they're fun to watch. I'm very happy right now.

And I'm still happy, and proud.  The post I said that on was about a lack of "finishing" by this team, and they gave us some very memorable finishes in the past couple of weeks.  Thanks, team.  


The best therapies in order:

1) Going directly to the BOB after the game.  Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
2) Watching everything Marty has put up on YouTube.  Multiple times.  Thank you so much, Marty.
3) Reading this thread.
4) Repeat step #2

[Trotsky]

[quote Jacob '06]Didn't he do an interview earlier this year where he essentially said he thinks his best shot is as a defensive 3rd line center in the NHL, so learning the defensive side of the game is a good thing?[/quote]

That would show a level of awareness and maturity that it often takes guys years to reach (c.f., Manderville, Kent) but if he does understand that then this is an ideal environment for him.  His TOI is higher, under more varied circumstances, than he'll get in the minors.  Also: BMOC vs the bus leagues is no contest.

A check would change that, though.  We'll see -- it will come down to what Edmonton wants him to do.

[HockeyMan]

[quote Trotsky][quote Jacob '06]Didn't he do an interview earlier this year where he essentially said he thinks his best shot is as a defensive 3rd line center in the NHL, so learning the defensive side of the game is a good thing?[/quote]

That would show a level of awareness and maturity that it often takes guys years to reach (c.f., Manderville, Kent) but if he does understand that then this is an ideal environment for him.  His TOI is higher, under more varied circumstances, than he'll get in the minors.  Also: BMOC vs the bus leagues is no contest.

A check would change that, though.  We'll see -- it will come down to what Edmonton wants him to do.[/quote]

I agree 100%--well, except that it may not come down *solely* to what Edmonton wants him to do.  I think another year at CU would do a lot for his game, and have the added bonus (presumably) of allowing him to play with his brother one more year.  He's not strong enough on the puck currently, which is why I would rate Greening a better NHL prospect at present.