Could Cornell be a host team?

[ugarte]

[quote Beeeej]No, the NCAA also callously and arbitrarily enforces their arcane and poorly publicized rules concerning the staging of tournament events.[/quote]
Unless you are planning on hosting an event yourself, I'm not sure how much effort the NCAA needs to put in to get the rules to you. If you were an AD I'm sure that you'd get an easy to read manual.

[Josh '99]

[quote Trotsky][quote JasonN95]Seems like the better site for Cornell to perhaps gain an advantage would be Albany. It hosts regionals and any year that Cornell makes it into the NCAAs probably means they at least made it to Albany. So that would give them two recent games played there to have some familiarity with rink conditions. And Cornell fans will clearly travel there and perhaps some other ECAC fans will turn out (RPI and Union) that might root for a League representative.[/quote]

Strongly agree.  Also, regionals have been co-hosted in the past (IIRC, Albany was hosted by RPI and Union), so putting together a co-hosting package with, say, Clarkson could spread the expense and risk.[/quote]Do you still get automatic site placement as a co-host?  If I recall correctly, at one point the ECAC hosted a regional - presumably not every team in the conference would get the benefit, but if RPI and Union were to somehow both make the tournament as co-hosts, would both then automatically get placed in Albany?  Would they have to pre-designate one to get that benefit?

[Josh '99]

[quote billhoward]Eventually college hockey tournaments need to come back to Madison Square Garden. It could be hosted by the Medical College.[/quote]Between the Rangers, the Knicks, the Circus taking over for almost three weeks every March-April, the NIT, and various concerts, I'd be very surprised to see NCAA hockey tournament games booked at MSG.  There just isn't much time to shoehorn it in, and it's not lucrative enough to bump the engagements they already have.  Here's MSG's calendar for the next month or so:

3/17 (open)
3/18 Rangers
3/19 Fleetwood Mac
3/20 Knicks
3/21 Rangers
3/22 Rangers
3/23 Knicks
3/24 Rangers
3/25 Knicks
3/26 Circus
3/27 Circus, Knicks
3/28 Circus, Circus, Circus
3/29 Circus, Circus
3/30 Rangers
3/31 NIT Basketball
4/1  Circus
4/2  NIT Basketball
4/3  Circus, Circus
4/4  Knicks
4/5  Circus, Circus, Circus
4/6  Circus, Circus
4/7  Rangers
4/8  Knicks
4/9  Rangers
4/10 Circus, Circus, Circus
4/11 Circus, Circus, Circus
4/12 Circus, Circus, Circus
4/13 Circus, Circus
4/14 Dave Matthews Band
4/15 Knicks

Booked every day, many days double-booked, the few concerts interspersed are guaranteed to sell 20,000 tickets.  Beyond that there are a fair number of open dates, but those have to be left open (especially as far in advance as host bidding occurs) in case the Rangers and/or Knicks have to schedule home playoff games.  When do you fit in a regional, or even the Frozen Four?  I'd love to see NCAA tournament hockey at MSG as much as the next NYC-metro-area-residing hockey fan, but...  let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

[Jacob '06]

As much as it hurts to say it, it would be kind of nice to see one hosted at the Prudential Center in Newark. The arena is brand new and nice, has great sight lines everywhere. It is very easily accessible by PATH or train from NYC so you would get the benefits of having it in the NYC metro area. I would imagine Princeton would be the only team that would end up hosting that though.

[Flyers1037]

[quote Jacob '06]As much as it hurts to say it, it would be kind of nice to see one hosted at the Prudential Center in Newark. The arena is brand new and nice, has great sight lines everywhere. It is very easily accessible by PATH or train from NYC so you would get the benefits of having it in the NYC metro area. I would imagine Princeton would be the only team that would end up hosting that though.[/quote]

but... it's in New Jersey!

[RatushnyFan]

It's a really nice arena.  And they do a decent job of keeping it clean nearby.  A little bit of a hassle to drive and park there (mostly after the game, trying to get out) even with the standard less than a full house of fans.  The way they're playing the last couple of months people should get on board.

[Josh '99]

[quote RatushnyFan]It's a really nice arena.  And they do a decent job of keeping it clean nearby.  A little bit of a hassle to drive and park there (mostly after the game, trying to get out) even with the standard less than a full house of fans.  The way they're playing the last couple of months people should get on board.[/quote]The arena itself is nice; as a place to potentially host a regional or a Frozen Four, there's far too little around for it to be an appealing destination.

[RichH]

[quote Josh '99]if RPI and Union were to somehow both make the tournament as co-hosts, would both then automatically get placed in Albany?  Would they have to pre-designate one to get that benefit?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I've never seen any two eligible schools co-host a venue, and I'm willing to bet that the NCAA encourages this due to that quirk. This year's regional in Bridgeport is actually co-hosted by both Yale and Fairfield University.  Fairfield doesn't even have a DIII program; their hockey team plays in the club-level division 3.  It has been mentioned before in this thread, but when RPI co-hosts regionals, they do so with the league.

Frankly, this annual thread is moot because I'm confident that the Cornell Athletics department want nothing to do with any of the semantics (financial or organizational) that go with hosting a regional.  Anywhere.  And frankly, I don't think the current administration is even capable of it.  Yeah, I went there.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote RichH][quote Josh '99]if RPI and Union were to somehow both make the tournament as co-hosts, would both then automatically get placed in Albany?  Would they have to pre-designate one to get that benefit?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I've never seen any two eligible schools co-host a venue, and I'm willing to bet that the NCAA encourages this due to that quirk. This year's regional in Bridgeport is actually co-hosted by both Yale and Fairfield University.  Fairfield doesn't even have a DIII program; their hockey team plays in the club-level division 3.  It has been mentioned before in this thread, but when RPI co-hosts regionals, they do so with the league.

Frankly, this annual thread is moot because I'm confident that the Cornell Athletics department want nothing to do with any of the semantics (financial or organizational) that go with hosting a regional.  Anywhere.  And frankly, I don't think the current administration is even capable of it.  Yeah, I went there.[/quote]Well, I'm not going to discuss what they are capable of doing other than to say they run operations much bigger than a regional, but why would they ever want to run one when they don't have a venue to do it in? Roch. is the only reasonable choice and it's a not easy 2 hour drive away. It will never happen, period.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Josh '99]The arena itself is nice; as a place to potentially host a regional or a Frozen Four, there's far too little around for it to be an appealing destination.[/quote]

Well, depends on what you mean, although I'll mostly disagree. There's a variety of things to do - people just don't know about them.

If you're talking about things to do within hours of a game, just a couple blocks from the arena is the Ironbound, a terrific dining destination. There's a variety of museums (NJ History Society, Newark Museum) & entertainment in Newark (NJPAC, Newark Symphony Hall, Bears & Eagles Stadium if baseball season has begun (possible for a FF) ).

If you're talking about after a game, its an easy PATH ride from Hoboken, the bar capital of NJ, or Jersey City, or Manhattan.

If you're talking about things to do on off-days, or well before games, its still an easy PATH ride from downtown or midtown Manhattan (which alone is endless possibilities), also accessible to Liberty State Park, the Statue of Liberty, & Circle Line cruises. By this summer it'll even have train access to the Meadowlands (race track with nearly daily events), Giants Stadium/Izod Center, & a brand new mall for the ladies that may come along.

Not to mention you can of course get to all those places & more by car.

No, its not like having it at MSG, or any of the big cities the FF typically goes to, but it'd be a very nice idea for a regional, and passable for a FF. And its a nicer rink (sightlines, concources, food choices) than most of them.

It'd be no worse, and in a lot of ways much better, than Buffalo (sorry). Perhaps on par with things like Detroit, Tampa, St Louis, Columbus (having never been to any of them, I can't individually judge).

It's a darn good idea, I'd just kind've doubt anyone would bother to put it together.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Josh '99]The arena itself is nice; as a place to potentially host a regional or a Frozen Four, there's far too little around for it to be an appealing destination.[/quote]

Well, depends on what you mean, although I'll mostly disagree. There's a variety of things to do - people just don't know about them.

If you're talking about things to do within hours of a game, just a couple blocks from the arena is the Ironbound, a terrific dining destination. There's a variety of museums (NJ History Society, Newark Museum) & entertainment in Newark (NJPAC, Newark Symphony Hall, Bears & Eagles Stadium if baseball season has begun (possible for a FF) ).

If you're talking about after a game, its an easy PATH ride from Hoboken, the bar capital of NJ, or Jersey City, or Manhattan.

If you're talking about things to do on off-days, or well before games, its still an easy PATH ride from downtown or midtown Manhattan (which alone is endless possibilities), also accessible to Liberty State Park, the Statue of Liberty, & Circle Line cruises. By this summer it'll even have train access to the Meadowlands (race track with nearly daily events), Giants Stadium/Izod Center, & a brand new mall for the ladies that may come along.

Not to mention you can of course get to all those places & more by car.

No, its not like having it at MSG, or any of the big cities the FF typically goes to, but it'd be a very nice idea for a regional, and passable for a FF. And its a nicer rink (sightlines, concources, food choices) than most of them.

It'd be no worse, and in a lot of ways much better, than Buffalo (sorry). Perhaps on par with things like Detroit, Tampa, St Louis, Columbus (having never been to any of them, I can't individually judge).

It's a darn good idea, I'd just kind've doubt anyone would bother to put it together.[/quote]A regional wants to be in a strong college hockey area. I don't know who would front this idea? Maybe Princeton with all their fans? I don't know if you are going to get a lot of New England fans to drive to NJ to watch a game that their team is not in. Metro NY is not a strong college hockey area.

[Josh '99]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote RichH][quote Josh '99]if RPI and Union were to somehow both make the tournament as co-hosts, would both then automatically get placed in Albany?  Would they have to pre-designate one to get that benefit?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure I've never seen any two eligible schools co-host a venue, and I'm willing to bet that the NCAA encourages this due to that quirk. This year's regional in Bridgeport is actually co-hosted by both Yale and Fairfield University.  Fairfield doesn't even have a DIII program; their hockey team plays in the club-level division 3.  It has been mentioned before in this thread, but when RPI co-hosts regionals, they do so with the league.

Frankly, this annual thread is moot because I'm confident that the Cornell Athletics department want nothing to do with any of the semantics (financial or organizational) that go with hosting a regional.  Anywhere.  And frankly, I don't think the current administration is even capable of it.  Yeah, I went there.[/quote]Well, I'm not going to discuss what they are capable of doing other than to say they run operations much bigger than a regional...[/quote]Such as?

I'm not the only one who remembers the "running out of food and water" debacle at that one lacrosse regional, am I?  And that was ON CAMPUS.

[mnagowski]

It'd be no worse, and in a lot of ways much better, than Buffalo (sorry).

Apology not accepted.

[Trotsky]

[quote Jim Hyla]It will never happen, period.[/quote]

It will probably never happen given current conditions.  There are always "What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly" hypotheticals that are fun to speculate about while we're waiting for Friday to arrive.

+ The NCAA changes the regional profile to include smaller venues
+ Binghamton builds a large venue
+ The Carrier Dome floods
+ Two words: Beebe Lake

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Trotsky][quote Jim Hyla]It will never happen, period.[/quote]

It will probably never happen given current conditions.  There are always "What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly" hypotheticals that are fun to speculate about while we're waiting for Friday to arrive.

+ The NCAA changes the regional profile to include smaller venues
+ Binghamton builds a large venue
+ The Carrier Dome floods
+ Two words: Beebe Lake[/quote]Yeah, right. I feel sad if these are your fun things.::blush::