Dec 8 Polls: Cornell is in the top 10

[Omie]

Cornell cracks the top 10 in all three polls with BC and CC dropping 5 and 4 spots, respectively.

USCHO/CSTV Poll #10 http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=uscho1m&week=poll

USA Today/AHM Poll #9 http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=national

INCH Power Rankings #10 http://insidecollegehockey.com/5Polls/0809/polls_0711.htm

[ugarte]

[quote Omie]INCH Power Rankings #10 http://insidecollegehockey.com/5Polls/0809/polls_0711.htm[/quote]
When did UAF become "Alaska"?

[cbuckser]

[quote ugarte]When did UAF become "Alaska"?[/quote]

Two seasons ago.

[Al DeFlorio]

Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.

[imafrshmn]

[quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.

[Beeeej]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.[/quote]

Al, I'm surprised you give it more than about five seconds' worth of thought.  It's a poll.  People are going to vote how they're going to vote, and no amount of analysis is going to make the poll mean any more than it does, which is zero.  Is it nice to get the respect on a national level?  Sure, but I think if you spend any time at all on sweating the difference between #5 and #10, and which one is which, and who beat who, it's already too much time spent on it.  My short answer would be "strength of schedule," but even that short answer is more time than it deserves.

If this were the BCS, where poll rankings might actually have an effect on our playoff seeding, I'd be concerned.  But it isn't, so I'm not.

Let's win the games.

[Trotsky]

Yeah, but who would win if a joint team from Cornell and Princeton played Ditka?

[Lauren '06]

[quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]
I'd almost rather Cornell stay under-ranked (if indeed they are).  Keeps them under the radar, keeps expectations lower... at least in the minds of fans of other teams.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Beeeej][quote Al DeFlorio][quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.[/quote]

Al, I'm surprised you give it more than about five seconds' worth of thought.  It's a poll.  People are going to vote how they're going to vote, and no amount of analysis is going to make the poll mean any more than it does, which is zero.  Is it nice to get the respect on a national level?  Sure, but I think if you spend any time at all on sweating the difference between #5 and #10, and which one is which, and who beat who, it's already too much time spent on it.  My short answer would be "strength of schedule," but even that short answer is more time than it deserves.

If this were the BCS, where poll rankings might actually have an effect on our playoff seeding, I'd be concerned.  But it isn't, so I'm not.

Let's win the games.[/quote]
Beeeej, it doesn't bother me at all.  It just puzzles me, and that's what I wrote.  If it were Minnesota or some other consistently highly-ranked team, it would go unnoticed.  But Princeton?  And, as I see it, their schedule to date is no stronger than Cornell's.

Frankly, you've spent too much time analyzing my off-the-cuff comment.;-)

[Beeeej]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Beeeej][quote Al DeFlorio][quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.[/quote]

Al, I'm surprised you give it more than about five seconds' worth of thought.  It's a poll.  People are going to vote how they're going to vote, and no amount of analysis is going to make the poll mean any more than it does, which is zero.  Is it nice to get the respect on a national level?  Sure, but I think if you spend any time at all on sweating the difference between #5 and #10, and which one is which, and who beat who, it's already too much time spent on it.  My short answer would be "strength of schedule," but even that short answer is more time than it deserves.

If this were the BCS, where poll rankings might actually have an effect on our playoff seeding, I'd be concerned.  But it isn't, so I'm not.

Let's win the games.[/quote]
Beeeej, it doesn't bother me at all.  It just puzzles me, and that's what I wrote.  If it were Minnesota or some other consistently highly-ranked team, it would go unnoticed.  But Princeton?  And, as I see it, their schedule to date is no stronger than Cornell's.

Frankly, you've spent too much time analyzing my off-the-cuff comment.;-)[/quote]

Who said it bothered you?

You didn't just comment, you also debated it.  I pointed out that there wasn't much to be gained by it, then I was done.  Have a lovely weekend!

[KeithK]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.[/quote]
It's just poll inertia.  Princeton started the season as the highest ranked ECAC team so they will probably stay there until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary (whether evidence for the Tigers dropping or someone else to rise).

If we're going to really think about "marquee wins" I'd guess that pollsters give less weight to conference games in that category. So beating Northeastern has more of a bonus effect than beating conference rival Princeton.

[French Rage]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote imafrshmn][quote Al DeFlorio]Not clear to me why a team that was beaten by Cornell and also lost to Mercyhurst (huh?) is ranked five places ahead of a Cornell team that's lost only to North Dakota.[/quote]

They do have a real marquee win in having beaten Northeastern, but other than that, they are still riding their preseason hype.[/quote]
Princeton is ranked ahead of Northeastern, so our "marquee win" over Princeton--at their rink--should be better than their win over Northeastern.[/quote]

But then if that causes us to be ranked ahead of Princeton, our marquee win wouldn't mean as much, so we would then be ranked lower than them, so then our marquee win would mean more, so then we would be ranked above them, but then our marquee win wouldn't mean as much, so then we would be ranked lower than them, so then our marquee win would mean more, so then we would be ranked above them, ..................

[JasonN95]

I feel like I'm in Bizzaro World. Princeton with pre-season hype and poll inertia. A win against Northeastern being described as "marquee". If Harvard wins the Bean Pot, then I'll know I've crossed over into a parallel universe.

[KeithK]

[quote JasonN95]If Harvard wins the Bean Pot, then I'll know I've crossed over into a parallel universe.[/quote]Now that's crazy talk.