Very RUDE and Ignorant Fans!

[Skipperboat]

I go to Cornell Hockey because I love the sport and enjoy to watch the game! BUT, I believe that it is rude and Ignorant for Post graduates to STAND-UP in front of older Fans, so that they can support their team, BUT, what about the older fans behind them, who can't see the action in front of them. After the post grad. students were asked very nicely and politely to sit down, they continued to stand up, even AFTER Security told them to sit down. This occured in Sect. G which I was told was a "Town" section, namely, a seated section. You would think post graduates would know better and understand the word RESPECT! Thankyou, Skip.

[scannon]

Section G is usually a split section: half townie, half student. It used to work that they split it diagonally so that there were no students in front of seated spectators. I believe that the Grad students being in that section is a new development. If Athletics decided to sit them in from of seated ticket holders then that was one of the more stupid ideas they've ever had.

I wouldn't blame the students themselves, they bought tickets believing that they could stand. Athletics seems to have dropped the ball mightily though.

[fattony]

Skip,

I was one of the grad students standing in section G. We were pretty upset about the whole issue too. We really want to stand with the other students and have the hockey experience we thought we were paying for. We also understand that you have expectations for your hockey experience.

My only problem with your complaint is that you assume that you are in the right and we are wrong or rude in someway. Why is it obvious that we should sit and not that you should stand? Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program. Excuse me for saying, but you are the ignorant one in this episode because you never thought for a second that we bought student tickets, not townie tickets. I still believe we are perfectly in the right to stand. Its the fault of the ticket office, not ours nor yours.

We hope to get this all sorted out with the ticket office on Monday. I'm confident that some arrangement can be made so everyone gets the hockey experience that they paid for.

Tony

[Jim Hyla]

[quote scannon]I wouldn't blame the students themselves, they bought tickets believing that they could stand. Athletics seems to have dropped the ball mightily though.[/quote]

Except they were told that they had to sit. The appropriate response is to sit and then discuss it with CU to see if something couldn't be worked out. To continue to stand is rude.

[ebilmes]

If you want to stand, move over to F. You can have half the section to yourself.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.[/quote]

It's Beeeej's fault, actually.  He can explain. ::crazy::

[MattR]

I had season tickets in section G in '04-05 and to my knowledge, that season the entire section was composed of students. While we were allowed to stand during games, the ushers did inform us that G is supposed to be seated section. So, technically you are supposed to sit in G.

[upperdeck]

its one thing to stand in the student sections where it is tradition.. quite another to stand the entire game in other sections. would you expect 40-50-60-70 yr old people enjoy standing like 20+ students?

do you go and stand during movies so others cant see?

on the flip side there are times in the game where support of the team might include standing and people complain about that as well. I dont think the energy in the bldg is changed by a handful standing in section g..

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Students standing in Lynah started sometime in the late 80's / early '90s.

We didn't do it when I was in school nor in the couple of tournaments I attended in the 80's after graduation.  When I went to Lake Placid for the tourney in the late 90's they were doing it.

[redice]

[quote fattony]
My only problem with your complaint is that you assume that you are in the right and we are wrong or rude in someway. Why is it obvious that we should sit and not that you should stand? Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program. Excuse me for saying, but you are the ignorant one in this episode because you never thought for a second that we bought student tickets, not townie tickets. I still believe we are perfectly in the right to stand. [/quote]

I don't know that "ignorant" is the optimal choice of words to describe either party.   But whatever derogatory term you choose, it is just wrong to stand up and prevent Skip from seeing the game.   After all, you can see the game sitting or standing.   If you stand, Skip cannot.   How can you consider that the right thing to do?    Cornell needs to spend more time teaching respect to their students.    Reading the banter on this forum shows me that many are spoiled brats who have been led to believe that their wishes supersede in all cases.   That's not how the world operates.  Yes, you're "special"; but only to yourself.  This "hooray for me & the hell with you" mentality turns my stomach!!

[quote fattony]Its the fault of the ticket office, not ours nor yours.[/quote]
Yes, the blame is established.    Let's hope they find a corrective action that satisfies all parties.

[ftyuv]

Can't it be the fault of the ticket office for creating the situation, and the fault of the students for not handling it well?

And the fault of older townies for not inventing the hovercars we were promised by the year 2000, which they would then be able to sit in and keep at an altitude suitable for looking over the students' heads?

IMHO.

[Tom Tone]

Skipper,

I have been sitting in Section G for the past 4 years and straddle the divide between townies and students.  Until you showed up, the same group of students have been standing without any issues from the people behind them.  You have no right to yell at the students in the manner that you did and then run to an usher like a petulant child.  If you want people to learn respect, you should start by setting the example and not showing your temper because you suddenly decided to show up to a hockey game, otherwise you would have known that students have been standing in G.

[Robb]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote fattony]Students standing in Lynah is a tradition as old as the rink, if not as old as the entire Cornell hockey program.[/quote]
Sorry, but this is simply a false statement.  I don't know when the "standing" business started, but it was at least after the 1965-6 season.  Students were as supportive of Cornell hockey--and we showed up more than an hour before the game started--sitting as they are today standing.[/quote]
When I arrived on the scene in '90-91, I'm fairly certain that the "tradition" was to stand until Cornell scored its first goal.  Unfortunately, things being what they were in 91, 92, 93, we got shut out a number of times at home - hence, standing the whole game.  The tradition just sort of naturally morphed into standing for the whole game, regardless of the score.

[dag14]

Haven't you people ever heard the phrase, "Down in front?"  There is a reason that Lynah Rink has SEATS.  People sit when they watch sporting events.  Just because some of us would rather stand up to watch a Cornell hockey game does not mean we have a constitutional right to do so.

If you have season tickets in Section G and your desire to stand throughout the game is interfering with the ability of the fans behind you to watch the game, why don't you ask the Athletic Department to switch your seats to Section F [which did not sell out] where you can enjoy the best seats [standing room] in the rink? On the corner, your view is virtually unobstructed.  Friday night I saw the usher inviting fans move to section D or F during the second period so that they could stand in peace.  Since student season tickets did not sell out, I would guess the Athletic Department would be willing to permanently accommodate Section G standers so that everyone can watch the game in the manner that they prefer.