How far Cornell hasn't fallen this year

Jim Hyla · March 07, 2008, 11:11:59 PM

[quote Trotsky][quote billhoward]This is shaping up as Cornell's least successful season in years.[/quote]Well, they now have 1 more playoff victory than last year's team, and as many as the 2004 team.[/quote]

Yes, but a playoff win in the prelims is not the same as in the quarters.

calgARI '07 · March 07, 2008, 11:13:55 PM

[quote Trotsky][quote billhoward]This is shaping up as Cornell's least successful season in years.[/quote]Well, they now have 1 more playoff victory than last year's team, and as many as the 2004 team.[/quote]

I forgot - how many 12 seeds did the 04 and 07 teams play?

Cop at Lynah · March 08, 2008, 12:19:38 AM

Lets not forget just how young this team is. With only 3 contibuting seniors, the future looks bright. If you look around the world of college hockey you will see that it is the veteran teams that have the majority of the success. If we can somehow keep R. Nash and C. Greening in the fold for another year or two then you will see Cornell back at the top of the league. I think this team has done a tremendous job of laying the foundation to a return to prominance.

Jim Hyla · March 08, 2008, 01:01:04 AM

[quote Cop at Lynah]Lets not forget just how young this team is. With only 3 contibuting seniors, the future looks bright. If you look around the world of college hockey you will see that it is the veteran teams that have the majority of the success. If we can somehow keep R. Nash and C. Greening in the fold for another year or two then you will see Cornell back at the top of the league. I think this team has done a tremendous job of laying the foundation to a return to prominance.[/quote]

Agree.

cbuckser · March 08, 2008, 01:32:37 AM

Although Dartmouth ended up as the 12th seed, it would be a mistake to either disparage the Big Green or expect that Cornell should roll over Dartmouth every game. Dartmouth didn't beat BU and UNH by accident (notwithstanding UNH's huge shots-on-goal advantage). Dartmouth has a ton of talent, but is awfully young. This year's Dartmouth team reminds me of the 2001-02 Yale team that Cornell faces in the ECAC QFs. The won-loss record is deceiving because those young, talented teams can play great when all of their stars are aligned.

jeff '84 · March 08, 2008, 07:36:47 AM

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Rita]I haven't really checked the standings in other leagues in a while and I was quite shocked to see that it is possible that Maine and/or UMASS-Amherst (both NC$$ playoff teams from last year) might not make it into the Hockey East playoffs! I knew that Maine was having a down year, but not that down as in failing to get into the league playoffs. ::bugeye::

Cornell's failure to lock up a first round bye doesn't seem so bad. [/quote]

Yeah... if we failed to get into *our* league's playoffs, we'd *really* be in trouble

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Got a good laugh because the Dartmouth announcer mentioned that while this was a rebuilding year they still made the playoffs...

Josh '99 · March 08, 2008, 09:15:35 AM

[quote calgARI '07]I forgot - how many 12 seeds did the 04 and 07 teams play?[/quote]Beating a 12 seed is better than losing to a 5 seed.

Jim Hyla · March 08, 2008, 09:38:36 AM

[quote Josh '99][quote calgARI '07]I forgot - how many 12 seeds did the 04 and 07 teams play?[/quote]Beating a 12 seed is better than losing to a 5 seed.[/quote]

Winning is usually better than losing, but I think the point is that when you finish in the top floor, then you have already "won" the games played on this play-in weekend. Or to change your line, beating a 12 seed doesn't mean you'll beat a 4 seed, better to be that 4 seed from the beginning.

billhoward · March 08, 2008, 10:50:05 PM

[quote Trotsky]We'll see. I'm thinking that if Cornell can claw their way to Albany, they'll be facing Clarkson in the semi.[/quote]
Starting to worry about Cornell clawing its way out of the first round vs. Dartmouth.

ithacat · March 09, 2008, 11:35:44 AM

[quote Cop at Lynah]Lets not forget just how young this team is. With only 3 contibuting seniors, the future looks bright. If you look around the world of college hockey you will see that it is the veteran teams that have the majority of the success. If we can somehow keep R. Nash and C. Greening in the fold for another year or two then you will see Cornell back at the top of the league. I think this team has done a tremendous job of laying the foundation to a return to prominance.[/quote]

There's a lot to like about this team, despite their inconsistencies this season. I would caution, however, that Scott and Sawada will take a fair number of points with them.

Another thing to consider is that 2 of the 4 teams that finished ahead of Cornell are as young as the Red (Princeton and Union). They each lose only one more senior than Cornell and have a larger group of freshmen/sophomores. They also only lose one of their top 8 or 9 scorers, while Cornell loses 2. Also, those two teams are far less likely to suffer early departures than Cornell. Still, if everyone who could return does, Cornell should be a pretty good team next year.

ugarte · March 09, 2008, 12:24:41 PM

[quote ithacat][quote Cop at Lynah]Lets not forget just how young this team is. With only 3 contibuting seniors, the future looks bright. If you look around the world of college hockey you will see that it is the veteran teams that have the majority of the success. If we can somehow keep R. Nash and C. Greening in the fold for another year or two then you will see Cornell back at the top of the league. I think this team has done a tremendous job of laying the foundation to a return to prominance.[/quote]

There's a lot to like about this team, despite their inconsistencies this season. I would caution, however, that Scott and Sawada will take a fair number of points with them.

Another thing to consider is that 2 of the 4 teams that finished ahead of Cornell are as young as the Red (Princeton and Union). They each lose only one more senior than Cornell and have a larger group of freshmen/sophomores. They also only lose one of their top 8 or 9 scorers, while Cornell loses 2. Also, those two teams are far less likely to suffer early departures than Cornell. Still, if everyone who could return does, Cornell should be a pretty good team next year.[/quote]
Your post made me sadder than redice's prediction in the Game 2 thread.

redhair34 · March 09, 2008, 12:48:08 PM

[quote ugarte][quote ithacat][quote Cop at Lynah]Lets not forget just how young this team is. With only 3 contibuting seniors, the future looks bright. If you look around the world of college hockey you will see that it is the veteran teams that have the majority of the success. If we can somehow keep R. Nash and C. Greening in the fold for another year or two then you will see Cornell back at the top of the league. I think this team has done a tremendous job of laying the foundation to a return to prominance.[/quote]

There's a lot to like about this team, despite their inconsistencies this season. I would caution, however, that Scott and Sawada will take a fair number of points with them.

Another thing to consider is that 2 of the 4 teams that finished ahead of Cornell are as young as the Red (Princeton and Union). They each lose only one more senior than Cornell and have a larger group of freshmen/sophomores. They also only lose one of their top 8 or 9 scorers, while Cornell loses 2. Also, those two teams are far less likely to suffer early departures than Cornell. Still, if everyone who could return does, Cornell should be a pretty good team next year.[/quote]
Your post made me sadder than redice's prediction in the Game 2 thread.[/quote]

Greening and Nash will be the two best players in the league next year.

Feel better?::banana::

mnagowski · March 09, 2008, 01:10:33 PM

[quote redhair34]Feel better?[/quote]

Not until our defense starts playing better.

How many third period leads did we give up this year? How many third period leads did we give up in the previous seven seasons?

Swampy · March 09, 2008, 01:58:55 PM

[quote metaezra][quote redhair34]Feel better?[/quote]

Not until our defense starts playing better.

How many third period leads did we give up this year? How many third period leads did we give up in the previous seven seasons?[/quote]

Yeah, the difference between last night's results and results from playoff games the years we were going deep in the NCAAs isn't that the opposing goalie stood on his head. It's that Cornell, playing under Schafer's system, gives up one, maybe two goals at most. Until this part of the team's play gets up to past standards, the team as a whole will remain below the overall excellent standards of past years.

I'd be curious to compare opponents' SOG over the past 2 years with, say, 2003.

Trotsky · March 09, 2008, 02:12:11 PM

[quote Swampy]I'd be curious to compare opponents' SOG over the past 2 years with, say, 2003.[/quote]

I sense a TBRW table.

2008 is the first season for the records I have in which Cornell has been outshot.

The 27.9 shots allowed per game is way over the norm of recent Schafer teams. The shots per game for the team (26.6) is also below the recent trend, but more in line with the early 00's teams that others have compared this one with.