[s]Two[/s] Three more recruits.

[scannon]

I was under the impression that his "from" list is organised by how good he thinks players are.

I might be way off base though::smashfreak::

[bothman]

That is correct.  Heisenberg's order of players within each league such as Mass / New England or the BCHL, is his opinion of their relative rankings.  That is why you geenrally see the big schools - BC, Wisconsin, UND, etc - getting the players at the top of each list.

With that said, there have been plenty of folks high on the list that have not panned out and similarly, there have been plenty of folks down on the list, that have.

[ursusminor]

[quote scannon]I was under the impression that his "from" list is organised by how good he thinks players are.

I might be way off base though::smashfreak::[/quote]
They are intended to be that. I asked him several years ago. He admits that the further west you go, the more he relies upon others' opinions for the rankings.

I think that he does a most credible and valuable job and rarely enters a recruit who ends up going elsewhere.

[Trotsky]

[quote bothman]That is correct.  Heisenberg's order of players within each league such as Mass / New England or the BCHL, is his opinion of their relative rankings.  That is why you geenrally see the big schools - BC, Wisconsin, UND, etc - getting the players at the top of each list.[/quote]Learn something new every day, thanks. :-)

You could then theoretically create an overall player ranking with his position in a league and the relative strength of the league (this would assume that league talent was similarily distributed with respect to NCAA propsects).  However although position is known, the strength of the conferences is not.

It is, after all, Heisenberg.

[scannon]

If you wanted to rank the different leagues you could probably find statistics on the number of pros who came out of each league/ number of D-1 recruits etc.

What with that and the heisenberg rankings you might be able to form the most uncertain rankings in the history of college hockey (except the pre-season rankings of course;-))

[Josh '99]

[quote Trotsky]Heisenberg is an invaluable source as a scorecard for what recruits have gone where -- really, one of the most useful (and most well-researched) sites on the net.[/quote]... except for the fact that he hits his AOL bandwidth quota by noon Eastern just about every day.  ::smashfreak::

[ursusminor]

[quote Josh '99][quote Trotsky]Heisenberg is an invaluable source as a scorecard for what recruits have gone where -- really, one of the most useful (and most well-researched) sites on the net.[/quote]... except for the fact that he hits his AOL bandwidth quota by noon Eastern just about every day.  ::smashfreak::[/quote]
It does say that he has found a new host. However, it has said so for a few months now.

[Trotsky]

[quote Josh '99]except for the fact that he hits his AOL bandwidth quota by noon Eastern just about every day.  ::smashfreak::[/quote]I'm sure he would accept a donation to help finance expanded capacity.

[Swampy]

[quote pfibiger]Nash is not just an impact guy, he's an elite prospect and alone brings up the recruiting class dramatically. Patrick Kennedy was poised to have a really big year, and was slowed by mono. Mike Devin has proved himself to be an impact defenseman in the BCHL, and Jordan Berk got really big minutes in Salmon Arm. A mobile puck moving defenseman, he put up numbers almost identical to Brendon Nash last year. Roeszler has put up unreal numbers in the WOHL,[/quote]

I agree with you that on paper, Nash, Mike Devin, Roeszler, and Kennedy are top-tier recruits. Berk was one of Salmon Arm's top defenders (with only 34 penalty minutes in 59 games!), and Heisenberg ranks him the twelfth defender in the BCHL. (Among the 11 ahead of him, Devin is going to Cornell and five are uncommitted for next year.) We'll have to wait and see about Joe Devin, Johnston, and Nichols.

What concerns me more is how little recruiting penetration we have in some areas. You'd expect the New England teams to have the inside track in New England, and the midwestern teams in Minnesota. But we are not a top-ten team when it comes to competing for players from the USHL or the USNDP, both of which draw nationally. We also didn't make a dent in Alberta or Saskatchewan. We're doing better than most schools in finding players in places like Texas, but landing diamonds in the rough rather than blue chippers is more typical of mid-majors than elite programs.

[Trotsky]

[quote Swampy]What concerns me more is how little recruiting penetration we have in some areas. You'd expect the New England teams to have the inside track in New England, and the midwestern teams in Minnesota. But we are not a top-ten team when it comes to competing for players from the USHL or the USNDP, both of which draw nationally. We also didn't make a dent in Alberta or Saskatchewan. We're doing better than most schools in finding players in places like Texas, but landing diamonds in the rough rather than blue chippers is more typical of mid-majors than elite programs.[/quote]

Coaches develop different contacts.   Mike and his staff have been exceptionally strong in BC.  Brian McCutcheon recruited very well in Alberta. Prior to him, Cornell used to rake in the prospects from the "Golden Horseshoe."  You can't be all places at all times, and I think I would prefer deep and dependable penetration in a few rich areas over superficial contact with many.

I would love to see guys start to come from the USHL and USNDP, however, as they appear to be making great advances, and I would think they would have a higher proportion of guys going into the NCAA over, say, Major Junior.

[Swampy]

[quote Trotsky]

Coaches develop different contacts.   Mike and his staff have been exceptionally strong in BC. ... You can't be all places at all times, and I think I would prefer deep and dependable penetration in a few rich areas over superficial contact with many.[/quote]

Understood. It would be interesting to see how many different garden plots different coaching staffs harvest. My impression is that BC and a few other programs draw more or less evenly on 4-5, while we tend to recruit heavily from about 3. This may also be a function of being based in Massachusetts or Minnesota: if the high school players go off to the USHL or the USNDP, connections to high-school coaches may translate into connections to these garden patches.

Also, I'd rather regularly get 3-4 of the top dozen players from one of the stronger leagues than an even distribution of mid-level players from several different leagues. Mike's relationship to the Clippers has been a tremendous asset. Thankfully, the Clippers are always one of the top teams in the BCHL, if not Canada.

Finally, notice how many kids are being gobbled up 2-3 years in advance. This seems particularly true with the USNDP. Mike is on record as saying he's wary of predicting a kid's development so far in advance (not to mention academic performance), but I wonder if he's going to have to change his tune to capture that elusive third national title.

[flyersgolf]

I love the interest and passion shown here for the team.  Last years recruiting class has yet to grasp what it is to be a Cornell Hockey player and hopefully that chemistry and understanding to the system will come and no more suspensions will be needed.
  I am even a little more excited about this years incoming class because of the classy guys that are coming in.  I do not think this is an accident.
  When Doug Berk and Geoff Roezler came to Cornell from Penn they were immediately taken in by the team because of the people they are.  Doug was always smiling, talking and great with the youth hockey kids and would come to the games at lynah in the morning to watch.  Geoff was more quiet but as tough as they come and hanging with Doug.  I can still remember Johnny Olds and Doug Berk kill penalties, you could hear the blades of thier skates grind trough the ice, even in a loud bulding, no exaggeration . These guys left it all out on the ice every game.  They were so exhausted after 60 that eating a whole pizza was not out of the question after a game.  So they would have something in the tank for Saturday night.  When Geoff Roezler would stop behind the net he would put ice over the glass, one of the fasted to skate on lynah ice.
  Riley Nash is as polite as they come and has the quiet confidence much like Nieuwyndyk had when he arrived here, we have already seen that Brendon is as solid as they come and we hope he stays for while.  Getting the Devin boys to come here from Catholic Memorial is a coup in itself.  These two guys are winners and have been thier entire careers.  All Boston schools wanted these two guys.  Mike Schafer has never needed blue chippers to create a winner, he needs guys with Character, Class and Committment to the team.  Better days are on the way sooner than later.

[KenP]

On a side note, why are good hockey prospects labeled "blue chippers"?  Is there or was there a process in some league where players received color-coded rankings (similar to ski slopes)?  Or perhaps is it a reference to a hard-working blue-collar man and his "chip off the 'ole block"?  Just curious, as the term is thrown around by many (myself included) without knowing its true meaning.

[Trotsky]

[quote KenP]On a side note, why are good hockey prospects labeled "blue chippers"?  Is there or was there a process in some league where players received color-coded rankings (similar to ski slopes)?  Or perhaps is it a reference to a hard-working blue-collar man and his "chip off the 'ole block"?  Just curious, as the term is thrown around by many (myself included) without knowing its true meaning.[/quote]Poker chips (from which, "blue chip stock").  Also, a snide reference to BC fans on USCHO Forum, "blue chippah."  B-]

[The Rancor]

[quote flyersgolf]  Last years recruiting class has yet to grasp what it is to be a Cornell Hockey player and hopefully that chemistry and understanding to the system will come and no more suspensions will be needed.
    Mike Schafer has never needed blue chippers to create a winner, he needs guys with Character, Class and Committment to the team.  Better days are on the way sooner than later.[/quote]

I cant agree more. I think that last years recruiting class was full of utility players.  This year's class is our grit and our elite scoring leader, which we needed desperately over the last few seasons. Well they are here. the pieces of the puzzle hopefully will come together. Will the Scrivens and Davenport combo get it together? I don't know. But don't we have an all star caliber goalie on his way next season?