[s]Two[/s] Three more recruits.

[Will]

[quote The Rancor]But don't we have an all star caliber goalie on his way next season?[/quote]
Michael Garman is set to arrive in fall 2008.  (Unless that's what you meant.  I don't know when "next season" becomes "this season".)

[The Rancor]

right, next next season.:-P

[sah67]

[quote The Rancor]. Will the Scrivens and Davenport combo get it together? I don't know. But don't we have an all star caliber goalie on his way next season?[/quote]

Whatever happens with Scrivenport, we should definitely have DiLeo at forward.  The kid sure takes a lot of shots with his goalie stick at the end of warmups...shots of anguish perhaps.  Or maybe imagining Scrivens's or Davenport's heads as the puck.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Will][quote The Rancor]But don't we have an all star caliber goalie on his way next season?[/quote]
Michael Garman is set to arrive in fall 2008.  (Unless that's what you meant.  I don't know when "next season" becomes "this season".)[/quote]

185 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 48 seconds... 47... 46... 45... :-/

(Note: isn't that off by an hour, or half an hour, or something? DST doesn't end this year until November)

[Will]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Will][quote The Rancor]But don't we have an all star caliber goalie on his way next season?[/quote]
Michael Garman is set to arrive in fall 2008.  (Unless that's what you meant.  I don't know when "next season" becomes "this season".)[/quote]

185 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 48 seconds... 47... 46... 45... :-/

(Note: isn't that off by an hour, or half an hour, or something? DST doesn't end this year until November)[/quote]
Nerd. :-P

[DILLIGAF]

[quote billhoward] Just that it would be nice to have a Zach Parise type stumble into Ithaca, too.
[/quote]

Not likely.  Why would a blue-chip recruit like that come to Cornell?  Because Schafer has such a great track record turning college players into pros?  He has more of a reputation of driving players to the pros early because of bad systems and an inability to coach.

Don Lucia
Jerry York
Rick Comley
Jeff Jackson
Tim Whitehead
Dick Umilie
Scott Owens

Schafer couldn't carry the clipboard for any of the above.

[scoop85]

[quote DILLIGAF][quote billhoward] Just that it would be nice to have a Zach Parise type stumble into Ithaca, too.
[/quote]

Not likely.  Why would a blue-chip recruit like that come to Cornell?  Because Schafer has such a great track record turning college players into pros?  He has more of a reputation of driving players to the pros early because of bad systems and an inability to coach.

Don Lucia
Jerry York
Rick Comley
Jeff Jackson
Tim Whitehead
Dick Umilie
Scott Owens

Schafer couldn't carry the clipboard for any of the above.[/quote]

It's obvious you have an agenda, but as a reminder, last season a Schafer led team beat a Scott Owens' led team in the NCAA's.

[BCrespi]

[quote DILLIGAF][quote billhoward] Just that it would be nice to have a Zach Parise type stumble into Ithaca, too.
[/quote]

Not likely.  Why would a blue-chip recruit like that come to Cornell?  Because Schafer has such a great track record turning college players into pros?  He has more of a reputation of driving players to the pros early because of bad systems and an inability to coach.

Don Lucia
Jerry York
Rick Comley
Jeff Jackson
Tim Whitehead
Dick Umilie
Scott Owens

Schafer couldn't carry the clipboard for any of the above.[/quote]

Interesting comment, but probably not all that useful considering those big-time programs with your "elite" coaches lose more players to the pros per year than anybody.  I mean, Don Lucia?  He certainly recruits them, but...yeah.  Based on your past few posts, I can't tell if you're kidding or not.  If not, you may want to dig a little deeper for evidence to keep bashing Schafer.  If so, am I the only one missing this?

[billhoward]

Most hockey studs with visions of pros probably would not choose Cornell. I'm just hoping that once in a someone will. Obviously Ivy Leaguers make it to the pros in hockey as well as football, more so from developing late that coming in as superstars.

Schafer's magic is he's made Cornell a national power most every year and a threat to get to the Frozen Four every second, third year with only a handful of stars. The last two years, the best we've had is, what, a second-team All-ECAC player. Imagine what the man could accomplish if he could waive tuition, room, and board for 18 people a year.

[DILLIGAF]

There is no doubt that Cornell faces recruiting challenges that the national powerhouses do not and that in prior years Schafer has gotten to the NCAA tourney, but what explains this season?  A very good, if not exceptionally talented freshman class presumably with veteran leadership and the team underachieved and often brought bad hockey to a new level.

THere were mistakes being made in November that were still being made in February.  I lay a lot of the blame for this brutal year at the feet of the captains and the veterans.  Topher and Byron should have been stripped of their C's.  They were an embarrassment as captains.  There were freshman that would have been better captains.  But ultimately mistakes that are being repeated game in and game out are on the coach.  Systems that don't work are on the coach.  

The game is changing the new talent both this year and is different than the historically typical Cornell player.  

Can anyone honestly say that anything cornell did this season looked like the hockey as it was played in the NCAA semis or the frozen four?  Not a chance.

[RichH]

[quote DILLIGAF]There is no doubt that Cornell faces recruiting challenges that the national powerhouses do not and that in prior years Schafer has gotten to the NCAA tourney, but what explains this season? [/quote]

How about the loss to graduation of a 1 PPG forward, a steady, stay-at-home defenseman, and twin-brother sparkplugs, who committed their bodies to playing a gritty, effective style?  Oh, and also the former Hobey Hat Trick finalist goaltender, as well as the two pillars you built your blue line corps around happened to decide to turn pro early.  Nothing really big to replace long after the recruiting season was over...

The freshmen class could be excellent, but they were in no way used to the conditioning required at this level this past season.

Can anyone honestly say that anything cornell did this season looked like the hockey as it was played in the NCAA semis or the frozen four? Not a chance.

Wanna bet?  I guess you weren't in Florida.  That win vs. UNH was a strong statement of the ability of Cornell, every bit as dominating a win as many played in the tournament this year.  The loss vs. Maine was a large indication of the youth and inconsistency of this team.  I would also like to include the impressive win vs. Clarkson at Lynah, but they admittedly weren't at full-strength.

Keep throwing out arguments.  I'd love to keep poking holes in them.

[KeithK]

If someone wants to think the sky is falling he is entitled to do so.  Rational descriptions of the reasons why this season was not stellar - which were well known and discussed last September - aren't likely to make a dent.  

Bad seasons happen.  Especially when you have a young team.  This wasn't even a bad season.

[Robb]

[quote DILLIGAF]A very good, if not exceptionally talented freshman class presumably with veteran leadership and the team underachieved and often brought bad hockey to a new level.[/quote]
You think what we brought back qualified as "veteran leadership?"  The core of the team was decimated by graduation and early departures, and still had a couple nice non-conference wins and contended for the league regular season title.  If anything, that's a bit better than I was hoping for - either slightly overachieving or just straight achieving.  Underachieving?  Not a chance.

[quote DILLIGAF]
Can anyone honestly say that anything cornell did this season looked like the hockey as it was played in the NCAA semis or the frozen four?  Not a chance.[/quote]
Nobody on here is arguing that the '07 team was as good as the '03, '05, or '06 teams.  We know they weren't as good.  We just think that it was due to having lesser talent on the team this year, not because Schafer forgot how to coach.

[evilnaturedrobot]

[quote DILLIGAF]There is no doubt that Cornell faces recruiting challenges that the national powerhouses do not and that in prior years Schafer has gotten to the NCAA tourney, but what explains this season?  A very good, if not exceptionally talented freshman class presumably with veteran leadership and the team underachieved and often brought bad hockey to a new level.
[/quote]

how did this team underachieve?  The expectation was that they would finish around fourth in the ECAC and have an up and down year.  The team did, more or less, what we all expected it to do.

[Josh '99]

[quote RichH][quote DILLIGAF]Can anyone honestly say that anything cornell did this season looked like the hockey as it was played in the NCAA semis or the frozen four? Not a chance.[/quote]

Wanna bet?  I guess you weren't in Florida.  That win vs. UNH was a strong statement of the ability of Cornell, every bit as dominating a win as many played in the tournament this year.  The loss vs. Maine was a large indication of the youth and inconsistency of this team.  I would also like to include the impressive win vs. Clarkson at Lynah, but they admittedly weren't at full-strength.[/quote]For that matter, didn't we notice a fair amount of sloppy play during the Frozen Four?  Everyone playing the college game is young, and they're all going to have off days and make mistakes.  It's hardly just our guys.