Bracketology, '07 edition

[ursusminor]

Tell them to play fresh faces during the regular season. :-)

[oceanst41]

[quote ursusminor]Tell them to play fresh faces during the regular season. :-)[/quote]

But then Denver loses to RPI and misses the tournament. It's much easier to complain about lack of fresh faces than lose to them. ;-)u

[Trotsky]

Shrug.  Win your games and get seeded #1 overall closest to home.  Anyway, that's what Cornell was told the last couple seasons.

[DeltaOne81]

I'm bored on a Sunday with no hockey, so:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGhgosTHJLCohObi2nNJEfQ

Let the arguing commence.
(I didn't go any further because the equations become unwieldy and I'm not getting paid )

[oceanst41]

[quote DeltaOne81]I'm bored on a Sunday with no hockey, so:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGhgosTHJLCohObi2nNJEfQ

Let the arguing commence.
(I didn't go any further because the equations become unwieldy and I'm not getting paid )[/quote]

However, it does make it easier to prove that the KRACH says Minnesota is full of shit. ;-)

I let USCHO know that this was your gift to the **Official** Bracketology discussion.

[marty]

[quote Trotsky]Shrug.  Win your games and get seeded #1 overall closest to home.  Anyway, that's what Cornell was told the last couple seasons.[/quote]

Well we got hosed in 2005 but I seem to remember losing a game in Albany last year.

[marty]

[quote oceanst41]Well how do you reply when they say they already played Michigan and UND this year and they want to see fresh faces? ::laugh::[/quote]

That Moog used to whine as coach and now we get to hear him whine as a color man.  Though I have to say he isn't as annoying a color man as I had anticipated he would be.

[redice]

[quote Trotsky]Shrug.  Win your games and get seeded #1 overall closest to home.  Anyway, that's what Cornell was told the last couple seasons.[/quote]

At the risk of sounding like I'm whining, is nobody else troubled by the fact that Clksn & SLU get to stay in the east after Cornell seems destined to play in the west (for most regional games)?   As a No. 1 seed, Clkson may have deserved it.   But SLU in Manchester?   Huh?

[CAAB]

Redice,

Whine away!! I'm with you (!) on the obvious discrimination that the NCAA selection committees have AGAINST Cornell staying in the East. Yes... isn't it amazing that SLU, third in the ECACHL tourney no less gets to stay in the East, and Cornell, had to toe the road twice before in the midwest, even though we did better. When we did get to play the quarter games in the east (NH & BC), at least we were 1 - 1 and made it to the frozen four once of the two.

In the midwest, we got 0-2 (both OT) in front of hostile crowds.

I would have thought SLU would have been sent out west. Clarkson I can see staying in the east.

I hope we will have more offense next year. :-)

Let's Go RED!!!!  (07-08)

-- The Chief

[Dpperk29]

the reason SLU gets to stay east is because they are the 11 seed and would play the 6 seed, SCSU. However, in the 6-12 game... BC would play maine... intraconference matchup which the committee hates. So they simply flip slu and maine to avoid this.

take it as the committee has a bias against cornell if you want to, but it is the same procedure that the committee has used for several years now.

-Devin

Holy shit... did I just defend SLU?

[Will]

[quote Dpperk29]the reason SLU gets to stay east is because they are the 11 seed and would play the 6 seed, SCSU. However, in the 6-12 game... BC would play maine... intraconference matchup which the committee hates. So they simply flip slu and maine to avoid this.

take it as the committee has a bias against cornell if you want to, but it is the same procedure that the committee has used for several years now.

-Devin

Holy shit... did I just defend SLU?[/quote]

Yes, and now it's immortalized. :-D

But seriously, it's just an unfortunate fluke of the numbers that Cornell got sent went in 2005 and 2006, while Clarkson and St. Lawrence get to stay east in 2007.  The committee has gone by the numbers as much as they possibly can to maintain bracket integrity while avoiding first-round intraconference matchups.  That's just the way the numbers broke down each year.

[RichH]

[quote Will]But seriously, it's just an unfortunate fluke of the numbers that Cornell got sent went in 2005 and 2006, while Clarkson and St. Lawrence get to stay east in 2007.  The committee has gone by the numbers as much as they possibly can to maintain bracket integrity while avoiding first-round intraconference matchups.  That's just the way the numbers broke down each year.[/quote]

Will is absolutely right, of course.  While it's nice to see the Chief, our own version of Goldy Knight, back here, there is no bias (obvious or not) of CU in the selections.  We've had low seedings and stayed east.

1996 - low seed, Albany (#6 East)
1997 - low seed, Grand Rapids (#6 West)
2002 - low seed, Worcester (#4 East + gift 1st round opponent in QU)
2003 - #1 seed, Providence (#1 East + missing a minor conf. team)
2005 - mid-seed, Minneapolis (#2 West)
2006 - mid-seed, Green Bay (#2 Midwest)

Fact is that the committee has to try and match several often-interlocking rules to place teams.  They worry about that, not how they're going to "Screw Cornell."  More often than not, it's been the recent strength of the WCHA that has forced their hands to distribute interconference teams around the country.

Personally, being from the area, I had Rochester circled as a regional I had wanted Cornell to hit.  Instead, we had a bad half, and Clarkson gets to take advantage.  Knowing several Clarkson grads in the Rochester area, I couldn't be happier for them.  Frankly I got to go to most of the regionals listed above, and I'm glad that I did.  Great experiences, all of them, and the only thing I would change is our finish in each of the tournaments.  ;-)

Congrats to the Knights and the Saints.  Let's Go North Country!!

[redice]

[quote Dpperk29]the reason SLU gets to stay east is because they are the 11 seed and would play the 6 seed, SCSU. However, in the 6-12 game... BC would play maine... intraconference matchup which the committee hates. So they simply flip slu and maine to avoid this.

take it as the committee has a bias against cornell if you want to, but it is the same procedure that the committee has used for several years now.

-Devin

Holy shit... did I just defend SLU?[/quote]

No, you defended the committee!!   You're off the hook.

BTW, I fully understand that the committee doesn't have a screw-Cornell agenda.    The results just sometimes leave a bad taste (end of whine )!!!

[DeltaOne81]

[quote redice][quote Trotsky]Shrug.  Win your games and get seeded #1 overall closest to home.  Anyway, that's what Cornell was told the last couple seasons.[/quote]

At the risk of sounding like I'm whining, is nobody else troubled by the fact that Clksn & SLU get to stay in the east after Cornell seems destined to play in the west (for most regional games)?   As a No. 1 seed, Clkson may have deserved it.   But SLU in Manchester?   Huh?[/quote]

As already pointed out in this thread, that's the way the numbers worked out. They have a procedure and they stuck with it. If you're not a #1, then its luck where you end up based on the matchups.

We were unlucky. SLU was lucky. Over the long haul it'll even out. There's no agenda pro or con for anyone. If they *didn't* follow the process, that would be wrong. They had to send us west in 05 and 06, and as much as I hated it, it would've been even more wrong if they'd broken the process to quiet the ignorant like CAAB.

[ftyuv]

[quote RichH]Congrats to the Knights and the Saints.  Let's Go North Country!![/quote]
I know we're supposed to fall back on conference loyalty and all that, but why'd it have to be the North Country?  I think I'd even rather P-ton make it, and their license plate has a turd on it.  *grumble*