OT (but not really): "Where Have All the Scorers Gone?"

Drew · February 11, 2007, 08:16:00 PM

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Drew]No offense taken, Jim. I was never one for moral victories. Winning the RS, winning the ECAC, making it to the NCAA, winning round one, winning round two, making it to the final four, these are all moral victories.[/quote]

I beg to differ. Winning the ECACs is an actual victory. The ECAC Championship may not be the National Championship, but it's still a championship.[/quote]

I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.

Trotsky · February 11, 2007, 10:41:27 PM

[quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.

Roy 82 · February 11, 2007, 10:51:21 PM

Nice, uh, half an article.

What kind of sick twisted mind would think that it was a good idea to let you read half the article and then force you to register to read the rest? I know its free and easy blah blah blash but it's just plain rude.

Don't worry, I have found a way to automatically sign up for any subscription website for free. Just register with me and I will tell you.

Al DeFlorio · February 11, 2007, 11:23:19 PM

[quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.

ugarte · February 11, 2007, 11:48:08 PM

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.[/quote]I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.

I wouldn't care about the ECAC's if we made the Championship Game, though.

cth95 · February 12, 2007, 12:05:02 AM

[quote ugarte] I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.
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I can't agree with you here. You are saying you would have rather had Harvard's season than ours last year. Granted we have had a few ECAC titles recently, so it is a little easier to swallow than if we longed for one, but I think Cornell earned much more credit on the national scene than Harvard last year despite not quite making the Frozen Four.

Of course, an ECAC championship along with Final Eight or better would be nice. :-)

RichH · February 12, 2007, 01:04:38 AM

[quote Roy 82]Nice, uh, half an article.

What kind of sick twisted mind would think that it was a good idea to let you read half the article and then force you to register to read the rest? I know its free and easy blah blah blash but it's just plain rude.

Don't worry, I have found a way to automatically sign up for any subscription website for free. Just register with me and I will tell you.

[/quote]

I just clicked the "printer friendly" link at the bottom of the page (or the "article tools" box), and that usually takes you to the full article. I just noticed that there's also a "single page" tool as well. Since it seems that boston.com lets you view 2 pages before asking you to register, you can get to either with one click. If it asks you to register, delete that cookie, I guess.

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/02/11/big_question_on_campus_where_have_all_the_scorers_gone?mode=PF
http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2007/02/11/big_question_on_campus_where_have_all_the_scorers_gone/?page=full

Either that, or bugmenot.com put out a great firefox extension.

Beeeej · February 12, 2007, 01:11:09 AM

[quote cth95]Of course, an ECAC championship along with Final Eight or better would be nice. :-)[/quote]

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'd rather have Cornell win an Ivy title, an ECAC championship, and a National Championship all in the same season than have root canal. :-)

Rich S · February 12, 2007, 05:02:57 PM

[quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.[/quote]I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.

I wouldn't care about the ECAC's if we made the Championship Game, though.[/quote]

Making the Final Four, even if it's only as far as the semis, gets you more exposure (ESPN2?) on the national stage than an ECAC playoff title. I know you guys love the ECAC titles, we all do; but I'd take getting further up that bigger ladder if I had to make a choice.

Jim Hyla · February 12, 2007, 05:15:59 PM

[quote Rich S][quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.[/quote]I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.

I wouldn't care about the ECAC's if we made the Championship Game, though.[/quote]

Making the Final Four, even if it's only as far as the semis, gets you more exposure (ESPN2?) on the national stage than an ECAC playoff title. I know you guys love the ECAC titles, we all do; but I'd take getting further up that bigger ladder if I had to make a choice.[/quote]I love the ECAC's, but I totally agree. As much fun as the ECAC's are, the NCAA's top them, assumming you don't have to be in Minni.

ugarte · February 12, 2007, 06:04:14 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote Rich S][quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.[/quote]I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.

I wouldn't care about the ECAC's if we made the Championship Game, though.[/quote]

Making the Final Four, even if it's only as far as the semis, gets you more exposure (ESPN2?) on the national stage than an ECAC playoff title. I know you guys love the ECAC titles, we all do; but I'd take getting further up that bigger ladder if I had to make a choice.[/quote]I love the ECAC's, but I totally agree. As much fun as the ECAC's are, the NCAA's top them, assumming you don't have to be in Minni.[/quote]
I admit that I may be a bit swayed by the fact that I actually go to Albany, so getting to watch the team hoist a trophy means a lot. As cth95 pointed out, though, that would mean a willingness to trade our postseason for Harvard's so I'm not as sure that I know my own feelings anymore.

Thanks a lot, jerk.

Jim Hyla · February 12, 2007, 06:24:00 PM

[quote ugarte][quote Jim Hyla][quote Rich S][quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Trotsky][quote Drew]I hear ya, John and respect your opinion. I will concede the ECAC Championship, but I think you get the gist of my message, that these are all rungs in the ladder in the quest for the grail.[/quote]

No, there are two ladders and two grails. I would rather win the ECAC title even if it meant being sent west in the regional than lose the final and stay home.[/quote]
Seems rather obvious to me, too.[/quote]I'll go you one better. I'd take an ECAC championship and a Round 2 loss (maybe even a Round 1 loss) over losing the ECAC's and making the Final Four.

I wouldn't care about the ECAC's if we made the Championship Game, though.[/quote]

Making the Final Four, even if it's only as far as the semis, gets you more exposure (ESPN2?) on the national stage than an ECAC playoff title. I know you guys love the ECAC titles, we all do; but I'd take getting further up that bigger ladder if I had to make a choice.[/quote]I love the ECAC's, but I totally agree. As much fun as the ECAC's are, the NCAA's top them, assumming you don't have to be in Minni.[/quote]
I admit that I may be a bit swayed by the fact that I actually go to Albany, so getting to watch the team hoist a trophy means a lot. As cth95 pointed out, though, that would mean a willingness to trade our postseason for Harvard's so I'm not as sure that I know my own feelings anymore.

Thanks a lot, jerk.[/quote]Jerk? Being funny, if so a smiley would help. If for real, to whom is it directed/

KeithK · February 12, 2007, 06:50:11 PM

[quote ugarte][Thanks a lot, jerk.[/quote]Typical.

cth95 · February 12, 2007, 10:05:34 PM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote ugarte]
Thanks a lot, jerk.[/quote]Jerk? Being funny, if so a smiley would help. If for real, to whom is it directed/[/quote]

I think he means me, since he said I made him doubt his original ideas. I am assuming the use of jerk is in a humorous mode, though, as with the Beeeej posts.

Ugarte, look on the bright side. If you are satisfied with a solid performance in the NCAA's, then an ECAC championship is icing on the cake and a loss doesn't hurt as much.

I'm not saying I don't care about ECAC championships. I've gone to all of the ones we have been in since 2002 in Lake Placid and I listened to 1996 on the radio the year after I graduated while I still lived in the area.

Like I said before, if forced to make a choice, I will take our national attention-gaining performance against elite teams last year over Harvard's banner, but then one-and-done. I also mentioned that my views may be skewed by the team's recent success and multiple championships. 1996 felt pretty damn good considering where we were during my time on the hill the previous few years. Unlike in 1996, recently an ECAC championship has almost been expected in the last few years, so my standards, expectations, and goals have gotten higher.

Beeeej · February 12, 2007, 11:35:40 PM

[quote cth95][quote Jim Hyla][quote ugarte]
Thanks a lot, jerk.[/quote]Jerk? Being funny, if so a smiley would help. If for real, to whom is it directed/[/quote]

I think he means me, since he said I made him doubt his original ideas. I am assuming the use of jerk is in a humorous mode, though, as with the Beeeej posts.[/quote]

Oh, sweet Lord, somewhere ugarte's head just exploded.

Clean-up on aisle Flatbush!