The administration has gone TOO far

las224 · December 05, 2006, 01:35:11 PM

A friend had season tickets, couldn't go to one of the games, and sold his ticket. Apparently the kid he sold it to got kicked out, and my friend received an e-mail saying that his set of season tickets has been revoked. He's trying to fight it, but we'll see.

Moral of the story seems to be that if you're selling any of your tickets... be careful.

French Rage · December 05, 2006, 01:49:19 PM

How exactly do they revoke them? Do they check each person's ticket as they come in? Do they look for the same person? It seems they don't pay enough attention to do the former and it's a different person so the latter wouldn't work either.

Rosey · December 05, 2006, 01:49:32 PM

[quote las224]Moral of the story seems to be that if you're selling any of your tickets... be careful.[/quote]
I fail to see how they would know. Do they make the ushers memorize all the seat numbers that have been revoked? Just get there early (always a good idea anyway) and either borrow someone else's stub to get into the section or find an inattentive usher on the townie side and walk around the bowl.

Some people (::whistle:

used to sneak in others who didn't even have tickets back when tickets were more scarce than they are now and when there was no central ticket exchange, so it certainly can't be harder than that.

Tell him to look at this as an opportunity to practice being clever. Besides, he can always claim he didn't get the email, and it's almost always better to apologize than to ask permission and be denied.

Kyle

canuck89 · December 05, 2006, 02:01:47 PM

To explain a little (unfortunately):

1. AD demands that the tickets be returned by a certain date, otherwise the JA gets a referral for failure to comply. This does result in a refund of the remaining unused tickets, however.
2. As you've mentioned, the individual can acquire tickets through some other means and still attend games, because it would be extremely rare for an usher to remember the person they threw out (Considering the ticket holder in this case was not even thrown out, recognition would be impossible).

To sum up, I highly doubt any excuses would work (ie. not receiving the email). The JA referral will occur if the tickets are not returned. Of course, one might argue their case there, but I would assume it could still only pertain to the "failure to comply" issue, not the AD policy regarding revocation. Also, is it worth the risk of going to the JA when one can receive a refund and use that money to buy single tickets to each game? That choice would depend on the individual, though.

French Rage · December 05, 2006, 02:07:43 PM

[quote canuck89]
To sum up, I highly doubt any excuses would work (ie. not receiving the email). The JA referral will occur if the tickets are not returned. Of course, one might argue their case there, but I would assume it could still only pertain to the "failure to comply" issue, not the AD policy regarding revocation. Also, is it worth the risk of going to the JA when one can receive a refund and use that money to buy single tickets to each game? That choice would depend on the individual, though.[/quote]

Well, given what it sounds like this season, buying the individual tickets for each game (now that Harvard has passed) shouldn't be too hard.

ugarte · December 05, 2006, 02:11:59 PM

[quote French Rage][quote canuck89]
To sum up, I highly doubt any excuses would work (ie. not receiving the email). The JA referral will occur if the tickets are not returned. Of course, one might argue their case there, but I would assume it could still only pertain to the "failure to comply" issue, not the AD policy regarding revocation. Also, is it worth the risk of going to the JA when one can receive a refund and use that money to buy single tickets to each game? That choice would depend on the individual, though.[/quote]

Well, given what it sounds like this season, buying the individual tickets for each game (now that Harvard has passed) shouldn't be too hard.[/quote]"I'd like seat D9, please. I've heard that it is available. Can I also get it for the rest of the games?"

The person might have trouble getting postseason tickets, though *knock on wood*

KeithK · December 05, 2006, 02:12:44 PM

[quote French Rage][quote canuck89]
To sum up, I highly doubt any excuses would work (ie. not receiving the email). The JA referral will occur if the tickets are not returned. Of course, one might argue their case there, but I would assume it could still only pertain to the "failure to comply" issue, not the AD policy regarding revocation. Also, is it worth the risk of going to the JA when one can receive a refund and use that money to buy single tickets to each game? That choice would depend on the individual, though.[/quote]

Well, given what it sounds like this season, buying the individual tickets for each game (now that Harvard has passed) shouldn't be too hard.[/quote]How about returning the tickets and then heading straight to the ticket office and requesting those same seats for every remaining game of the season?

ugarte · December 05, 2006, 02:14:54 PM

[quote KeithK][quote French Rage][quote canuck89]
To sum up, I highly doubt any excuses would work (ie. not receiving the email). The JA referral will occur if the tickets are not returned. Of course, one might argue their case there, but I would assume it could still only pertain to the "failure to comply" issue, not the AD policy regarding revocation. Also, is it worth the risk of going to the JA when one can receive a refund and use that money to buy single tickets to each game? That choice would depend on the individual, though.[/quote]

Well, given what it sounds like this season, buying the individual tickets for each game (now that Harvard has passed) shouldn't be too hard.[/quote]How about returning the tickets and then heading straight to the ticket office and requesting those same seats for every remaining game of the season?[/quote]About time we agreed on something, RedState.

jtwcornell91 · December 05, 2006, 02:15:06 PM

There's plenty of time before the next home game; it seems like your friend has a good case for an appeal, and if all else fails, we still have an ombudsman, right?

ugarte · December 05, 2006, 02:19:56 PM

[quote jtwcornell91]There's plenty of time before the next home game; it seems like your friend has a good case for an appeal, and if all else fails, we still have an ombudsman, right?[/quote]Can someone scan the back of the ticket? My guess is that the ticket (or earlier correspondence with season ticket holders) says that it is a "revokable license" and that the purchaser is responsible for the acts of the holder. That appeal is likely to lose.

Lesson: If you are being tossed, tell them that you tossed your stub. And use a different entrance at the next game.

evilnaturedrobot · December 05, 2006, 02:30:46 PM

just for the record, this has very little to do with the ushers and everything to do with the ticket office and the AD. The usher is just doing his/her job. The usher didn't set the policy in regards to what gets you tossed, nor did they decide that your friend should be punished for the actions of someone else.

the ushers seem to take alot of heat from disgruntled fans for a policy that they really have little to do with. Now thats not to say that some of them havn't become a little overbearing in light of that policy, but I've met many that are meerly trying to keep there jobs and arn't looking to toss anyone.

ebilmes · December 05, 2006, 02:35:38 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this person might have a case on the basis of simply not being the person who was kicked out?

But, like others have said, losing season tickets does not at all mean that he wouldn't be able to see the rest of the home games.

Trotsky · December 05, 2006, 02:40:41 PM

[quote ebilmes]Am I the only one who thinks this person might have a case on the basis of simply not being the person who was kicked out?[/quote]

No, you're not the only one. I lend you my car. You drive drunk. I don't lose my license.

mttgrmm · December 05, 2006, 02:53:21 PM

however in a civil suit you would still be liable for damages/injuries caused by your vehicle regardless of who was driving it.

a while back I crashed my car but my dad was still named on the title for it. when I got sued for the damages to the other car he was named as a co-defendant and we were told that the owner is always liable, regardless of who was driving....

i agree with you that the kid shouldn't have his tickets pulled because of the actions of the kid he sold it to, but just saying the car analogy might not be the best defense.

oceanst41 · December 05, 2006, 02:59:18 PM

[quote ugarte]My guess is that the ticket (or earlier correspondence with season ticket holders) says that it is a "revokable license" and that the purchaser is responsible for the acts of the holder. That appeal is likely to lose.[/quote]

Unfortunately this is probably true, most season tickets are like this. So there really isn't much of a case. Isn't that where this whole getting tossed for profanity thing comes from anyway, because it is spelled out on the back of the ticket?

It's a bum deal for your friend, but I don't think Cornell will have that much sympathy.