Separate ushers-vs.-fans game thread?

[Beeeej]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.[/quote]

Pressured by whom?  They're completely independent of the university.  Andy could threaten their press passes, but they'd probably just send writers with regular tickets.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote Beeeej][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.[/quote]

Pressured by whom?  They're completely independent of the university.  [/quote]

I didn't know that.

But they are students.  The University has their ways...

[nyc94]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Beeeej][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.[/quote]

Pressured by whom?  They're completely independent of the university.  [/quote]

I didn't know that.

But they are students.  The University has their ways...[/quote]

It's Cornell, not Karl Rove.

[Trotsky]

[quote Beeeej]Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]

I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not really sure how interesting it will get.  I would assume the ushers have broad leeway in deciding what constitutes disruptive behavior.  If the usher claims you are disruptive... you kinda are.  At least, I would think that is the position the AD or rink or Cornell or whoever the controlling entity is would take, in order to back up the ushers.

If an usher really became a tinhorn dictator and started doing the brownshirt shuffle, then repeated incidents in which he was hauled in to justify his actions might result in his removal to some other task.  But I'm not sure we're talking about a particular miscreant, here.  It sounds more like popular objection to a broad policy.  Assuming the policy is official and put in place by the AD or the university, their own review board is not likely to restrict them.  This is not the court system and judicial review -- it's more like a company town, where the judge and the mayor are golf buddies.

[Beeeej]

[quote Trotsky][quote Beeeej]Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]

I'm not opposed to it, but I'm not really sure how interesting it will get.  I would assume the ushers have broad leeway in deciding what constitutes disruptive behavior.  If the usher claims you are disruptive... you kinda are.[/quote]

I'm not suggesting we take it to court for a ruling on a void for vagueness claim, but the aim of making a stink about it remains the same.  It's not popular objection to a broad policy, it's popular objection to inconsistent enforcement of an unclear and apparently fluid policy.

It seems like different ushers enforce different standards on different nights.  If we have it on authority from Gene, the guy in charge of the ushers, that "sucks" is okay, then it's not okay for one of the ushers to say differently.  If one usher thinks it's okay to yell obnoxiously as long as there's no profanity, it's not okay for another usher to throw someone out and revoke their season tickets for being non-profanely obnoxious.  The way it sounds like they're enforcing these "rules" is inconsistent and gives no notice to attendees at the games as to what behavior is acceptable and what behavior isn't.

If enough people make a public stink over it, maybe they'll be forced to come up with actual guidelines that people can actually follow without fear of punishment for doing things that previously were just fine.  Once we have notice what really is okay and what isn't, even if we don't agree with where the lines have been drawn, at least people can stop being randomly afraid.

Unless of course they're liars who are just using the ushers as an excuse to cover up their horrendous miscreant behavior... or can't spell my name.

[billhoward]

[quote Jim Hyla]I personally think cheering out Noel's number or any other anti-Noel cheer is completely inappropriate ... [/quote]
Civility should afford Andy Noel some umbrella of privacy in his personal life. He's not napalming babies. He's being, apparently, a bit anal in what he wants chanted at Lynah. That's not life or death.

(Warning -- thread drift:) Parallel case in point: I was at the LA Auto Show and at a panel discussion on hydrogen fuel, global warming, etcetera. One speaker was BMW's congressman from South Carolina, who spent time in Antarctica and thinks the global warming thing is for real. (Correction, the congressman whose district the BMW plant is in.) Not sure I'd agree 100% with Bob Inglis' non-car views, but we got to talking about whether the best and the brightest less often want to go into public service. Case in point, he said: He's pro-life / anti-abortion (take your choice on terminology) but he did vote to fund Planned Parenthood activities that don't fund abortion services. Now, he and his wife and kids are being hassled in his own church by an uber-pro-lifer who says he's sold out. Sheesh! Even the Mafia doesn't go after your family.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote nyc94][quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Beeeej][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.[/quote]

Pressured by whom?  They're completely independent of the university.  [/quote]

I didn't know that.

But they are students.  The University has their ways...[/quote]

It's Cornell, not Karl Rove.[/quote]

I was thinking the Gestapo, but close enough.

[sah67]

I think I should note that at the RPI game tonight, there were two guys in the middle of Section D, a few rows up from me that were just begging to be thrown out: screaming about doing Alford's mom and sister (and dad at one point too I believe) "in the butt", and also about how much his mom, dad and sister deserved to be "done in the butt" repeatedly.  The sad part was that they actually had more rhythm than most of the cheering in Section D...but they were loud as hell, usually screaming during quiet periods, and actually had several dozen people cringing or cracking up.  

Somehow, the ushers didn't even pay them any mind, and it wasn't for lack of presence, since we were greeted with a friendly usher during Gary Glitter who made sure we knew he was there, and gently reminded us to say "rough 'em up".  A few people pointed out the "butt" guys to the usher, but although they kept it up later on in the third period, they were never tossed.    

I wonder what would have happened if they tried that in Section A

[ebilmes]

[quote sah67]I think I should note that at the RPI game tonight, there were two guys in the middle of Section D, a few rows up from me that were just begging to be thrown out: screaming about doing Alford's mom and sister (and dad at one point too I believe) "in the butt", and also about how much his mom, dad and sister deserved to be "done in the butt" repeatedly.  The sad part was that they actually had more rhythm than most of the cheering in Section D...but they were loud as hell, usually screaming during quiet periods, and actually had several dozen people cringing or cracking up.  

Somehow, the ushers didn't even pay them any mind, and it wasn't for lack of presence, since we were greeted with a friendly usher during Gary Glitter who made sure we knew he was there, and gently reminded us to say "rough 'em up".  A few people pointed out the "butt" guys to the usher, but although they kept it up later on in the third period, they were never tossed.    

I wonder what would have happened if they tried that in Section A[/quote]

Idiots right behind me in B were just doing non-stop, profanity-laced shouting about how the fuckers ("Cornell") couldn't get the fucking puck in the fucking net, we were playing like shit, etc. Nothing from the ushers. Meanwhile, the RPI fans were able to hold up the Cornell Sucks sign a few times towards the beginning of the game. I've brought a Yale Sucks sign to Ingalls a couple times and have had it (somewhat reasonably) confiscated right after the first time I hold it up. I would have been happy to see the Cornell Sucks sign taken away a lot more quickly.

[RichH]

[quote ebilmes]I would have been happy to see the Cornell Sucks sign taken away a lot more quickly.[/quote]

Well, that would be insulting to our visitors.  According to our non-fired-as-of-yet AD, we can't have that.

[jtwcornell91]

I have to say, the phrase "do it in the butt" makes me think of the hidden track from the Butt Trumpet album Primative Enema which was popular back in my college radio days.

[RazzBaronZ]

As I posted in the Union postgame thread, the ushers were very nice the past 2 nights.  I yelled as loud as I could, and got to get into the goalies' heads without a peep from the ushers.

As far as I can tell, as long as nobody is cursing, they're being nice.  Even when someone did, they got a warning and didn't do it again.  As long as this is the case from now on, I have no further beef with the ushers.

[Cactus12]

or "pucks clocks" (sorry, too much fun... couldn't resist)

[evilnaturedrobot]

[quote RazzBaronZ]As I posted in the Union postgame thread, the ushers were very nice the past 2 nights.  I yelled as loud as I could, and got to get into the goalies' heads without a peep from the ushers.

As far as I can tell, as long as nobody is cursing, they're being nice.  Even when someone did, they got a warning and didn't do it again.  As long as this is the case from now on, I have no further beef with the ushers.[/quote]

yeah the guy along the a/b aisle actually asked me to warn those cursing because he was try hard not to throw anybody out.  Great to hear.

[ftyuv]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Beeeej][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.[/quote]

Pressured by whom?  They're completely independent of the university.  [/quote]

I didn't know that.

But they are students.  The University has their ways...[/quote]

They're pretty strong-willed students.  The Sun has printed more damaging things than a letter from a kid who's gotten tossed from a hockey game.