Separate ushers-vs.-fans game thread?

[Chris '03]

[quote Killer][quote kaelistus]Scersk '97, If someone could organize this cheer at a game, I think it would be D*MN funny:

Andy Noel flings puppies into deep holes[/quote]

What if a chant goes up where one side of the rink does "FI-RE" and the other side responds "AN-DY"?  That would have an interesting ring to it.[/quote]

You're giving people WAY too much credit.

[Jim Hyla]

I personally think cheering out Noel's number or any other anti-Noel cheer is completely inappropriate, at this time. Yes you might feel good and think it was funny, but what do you possibly think you'll get from it. Do you think it will make him change whatever policy this is? Hardly.

Rather than be aggressive, passive resistance can get people on your side and might lead to changes. I like the idea of being quiet and having the administration, coach included, ask what happenned. But the chances of pulling that off are miniscule. So what are you left with; cheer in an appropriate way, take the chance that you get thrown out and then bring it up to the powers to be. If enough did it, it could have an impact. But it comes down to whether you really want to change things or just like to complain.

[Killer]

[quote Chris '03][quote Killer][quote kaelistus]Scersk '97, If someone could organize this cheer at a game, I think it would be D*MN funny:

Andy Noel flings puppies into deep holes[/quote]

What if a chant goes up where one side of the rink does "FI-RE" and the other side responds "AN-DY"?  That would have an interesting ring to it.[/quote]

You're giving people WAY too much credit.[/quote]

I'm not saying it doesn't need some organized instigators to get it rolling.  But once it catches on...

[jtwcornell91]

Is shouting "FIRE" in a crowded hockey rink really such a good idea? ::help::

[Chris '03]

[quote jtwcornell91]Is shouting "FIRE" in a crowded hockey rink really such a good idea? ::help::[/quote]

Well considering the response the fire alarms got last year(?), I'm not sure it would do too much.

[Willy '06]

Beat me to it.

[RichH]

[quote Jim Hyla]So what are you left with; cheer in an appropriate way, take the chance that you get thrown out and then bring it up to the powers to be. If enough did it, it could have an impact. But it comes down to whether you really want to change things or just like to complain.[/quote]

Well said, Jim.

[Beeeej]

[quote bandrews37][quote Beeeej][quote Dafatone]I'm very sorry to say this, but you're wrong.[/quote]

He called bullshit on an entire group of people relating their personal experiences in Lynah, based on a basketball game and on not having had the same experience at the hockey games that many other people have had.  Then he basically called you all liars.  Why be sorry?[/quote]

Dude, what's your problem with me? Neither I nor any of my friends have gotten tossed from a game, and haven't seen anyone get tossed without doing something to deserve it. Have I seen people get tossed? Sure - all of them with cause for saying or doing something that you'd get thrown out of any event (not just Cornell events) for.[/quote]

I thought I was clear.  My problem is your assumption that because you have not personally experienced or personally witnessed something, it is almost certain not to have happened, and everybody who claims otherwise is probably lying to cover their own bad behavior.  There are 4,200+ people at most of these games.  What you personally witness is a very small fraction of what's actually going on - unless of course you're moving swiftly from section to section, and watching everything but the hockey game.

If you're scared of getting thrown out, it's probably because you've got a guilty conscience about doing something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place.

...unless of course the ushers in some sections have actually been behaving the way that several people independently claim they've been behaving.  Intimidation is a powerful force.

Don't be stupid, and there'll be no problems.

That's what I've been saying from the beginning.  Follow the rules about profanity as they're actually set out, and you shouldn't have problems - then if you do have problems, you can use the fact that you were following the rules to make a stink about being singled out for no reason.  We agree more than you think.  I just don't particularly care for seeing you accuse several people you've never met of behaving badly, lying about it, and then lying about the ushers to cover their lies.

Do I doubt there might be someone who really is acting indignant without justification?  Not at all.  I'm just open to the possibility that someone's been through something I haven't.

[Dafatone]

[quote Beeeej]That's what I've been saying from the beginning.  Follow the rules about profanity as they're actually set out, and you shouldn't have problems - then if you do have problems, you can use the fact that you were following the rules to make a stink about being singled out for no reason.[/quote]

This is sound logic, except if you don't break the rules and get tossed, knowing that you were right might not hold up for much.  If it happened to me, I'd make a big stink, but that wouldn't be any consolation for missing the rest of the season.

[Rosey]

[quote Dafatone]This is sound logic, except if you don't break the rules and get tossed, knowing that you were right might not hold up for much.  If it happened to me, I'd make a big stink, but that wouldn't be any consolation for missing the rest of the season.[/quote]
Hell, I would take it all the way to Skorton.  I give the hockey program and associated groups a bunch of money, both in donations and in tickets, and I'll be damned if (fire) Andy is going to have his goon squad throw me out without facing me in person and without me making it absolutely miserable for him.

I say "rough", I say "See ya you goon!", I haven't screamed "TRFS" since like 1996 (not that any of the current students know about that one anyway), and the loudest thing that usually comes out of my mouth is "Let's Go Red!"  But if they're as capricious as some people here claim, there's still a chance I could get tossed.  I'd like to see them try.

Kyle

[Beeeej]

[quote krose][quote Dafatone]This is sound logic, except if you don't break the rules and get tossed, knowing that you were right might not hold up for much.  If it happened to me, I'd make a big stink, but that wouldn't be any consolation for missing the rest of the season.[/quote]
Hell, I would take it all the way to Skorton.  I give the hockey program and associated groups a bunch of money, both in donations and in tickets, and I'll be damned if (fire) Andy is going to have his goon squad throw me out without facing me in person and without me making it absolutely miserable for him.[/quote]

Exactly.  I don't mean take satisfaction in being right, I mean fight it every step of the way.  If an usher tells you he's removing you from the game, politely insist upon knowing why.  Ask him what rule he's enforcing, in what way he believes you broke it, etc.  If you have not done what he claims you did, politely insist that you didn't do it, and politely request that you be allowed to stay.  If that doesn't work, write down every detail of that conversation, and send copies to Gene Nighman, Andy Noel, the Dean of Students, the Judicial Administrator, and the Cornell Daily Sun.

Then it'll get interesting.

[KeithK]

[quote Beeeej]Exactly.  I don't mean take satisfaction in being right, I mean fight it every step of the way.  If an usher tells you he's removing you from the game, politely insist upon knowing why.  Ask him what rule he's enforcing, in what way he believes you broke it, etc.  If you have not done what he claims you did, politely insist that you didn't do it, and politely request that you be allowed to stay.  If that doesn't work, write down every detail of that conversation, and send copies to Gene Nighman, Andy Noel, the Dean of Students, the Judicial Administrator, and the Cornell Daily Sun.

Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]If you have not broken a rule and the usher rejects your polite request to stay, I'd also suggest asking to see a supervisor (as in Gene Nighman).  The best response to attempted intimidation of this kind is to politely but firmly stand up to it.  It's not like they can throw you in prison, after all.

[Beeeej]

[quote KeithK][quote Beeeej]Exactly.  I don't mean take satisfaction in being right, I mean fight it every step of the way.  If an usher tells you he's removing you from the game, politely insist upon knowing why.  Ask him what rule he's enforcing, in what way he believes you broke it, etc.  If you have not done what he claims you did, politely insist that you didn't do it, and politely request that you be allowed to stay.  If that doesn't work, write down every detail of that conversation, and send copies to Gene Nighman, Andy Noel, the Dean of Students, the Judicial Administrator, and the Cornell Daily Sun.

Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]If you have not broken a rule and the usher rejects your polite request to stay, I'd also suggest asking to see a supervisor (as in Gene Nighman).  The best response to attempted intimidation of this kind is to politely but firmly stand up to it.  It's not like they can throw you in prison, after all.[/quote]

Yes.  If rebuffed, escalate gradually, politely, but firmly.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Beeeej][quote KeithK][quote Beeeej]Exactly.  I don't mean take satisfaction in being right, I mean fight it every step of the way.  If an usher tells you he's removing you from the game, politely insist upon knowing why.  Ask him what rule he's enforcing, in what way he believes you broke it, etc.  If you have not done what he claims you did, politely insist that you didn't do it, and politely request that you be allowed to stay.  If that doesn't work, write down every detail of that conversation, and send copies to Gene Nighman, Andy Noel, the Dean of Students, the Judicial Administrator, and the Cornell Daily Sun.

Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]If you have not broken a rule and the usher rejects your polite request to stay, I'd also suggest asking to see a supervisor (as in Gene Nighman).  The best response to attempted intimidation of this kind is to politely but firmly stand up to it.  It's not like they can throw you in prison, after all.[/quote]

Yes.  If rebuffed, escalate gradually, politely, but firmly.[/quote]

Or, in Kyle's case, pull out your handgun and threaten to shoot them. ::uhoh::

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote Beeeej][quote krose][quote Dafatone]This is sound logic, except if you don't break the rules and get tossed, knowing that you were right might not hold up for much.  If it happened to me, I'd make a big stink, but that wouldn't be any consolation for missing the rest of the season.[/quote]
Hell, I would take it all the way to Skorton.  I give the hockey program and associated groups a bunch of money, both in donations and in tickets, and I'll be damned if (fire) Andy is going to have his goon squad throw me out without facing me in person and without me making it absolutely miserable for him.[/quote]

Exactly.  I don't mean take satisfaction in being right, I mean fight it every step of the way.  If an usher tells you he's removing you from the game, politely insist upon knowing why.  Ask him what rule he's enforcing, in what way he believes you broke it, etc.  If you have not done what he claims you did, politely insist that you didn't do it, and politely request that you be allowed to stay.  If that doesn't work, write down every detail of that conversation, and send copies to Gene Nighman, Andy Noel, the Dean of Students, the Judicial Administrator, and the Cornell Daily Sun.

Then it'll get interesting.[/quote]

I'd question whether the Sun would print it or if they'd get pressured not to.  Send a copy to the Journal, too.

BTW, I'll be up there for the Yale/Brown series in January.  I'll be glad to get some anti-Noel cheers going in the third period Saturday night.  What can they do, take away my degree?  ::moon::