Wayne State Saturday Postgame

ebilmes · November 25, 2006, 11:09:10 PM

What an ugly, terrible game. I don't see how you can spin this in any positive light.

Davenport was bad. Maybe he just didn't see one of the first two goals, but to give up three goals like that is awful. It seemed like, in the first twelve minutes, the only times Wayne State had the puck in our end was when they were scoring. 3 goals on 5 shots against Troy.

Scrivens came on, and played pretty damn well for a backup. A lot of people wanted to see him play tonight, and they got their chance. He made some nice saves, stopped the penalty shot, but then got a little confident and ended up getting called for a roughing call that led to Wayne's fifth goal.

It's always a bad sign when you have lots of PP chances early and can't convert. If we had had any success on that string of PPs in the first period, I have no doubt that Cornell would have won.

Wayne State did not seem to me to be as bad a team as their record/past suggests. Yes, they were definitely several notches below Cornell, but they played aggressive, physical defense that gave us some serious trouble at times. This was obviously a should-not-ever-lose game for Cornell, but Wayne State wasn't ready to roll over.

Lynah crowd was weak, but that's expected over break. It's tough for the Faithful to stay positive and energetic down 3-0 to a Wayne State, but when you have facetimers and middle-schoolers and hockey-ignorant Cornell moms in the student sections, it's going to be tough to keep the crowd in the game.

Wayne State should be thankful this Thanksgiving break that Cornell has handed them what will likely be the highlight of their season: a win at Lynah. Schafer's got to "yell the right stuff" between this game and tomorrow's so that tomorrow's result will be what today's should have been: a win.

scoop85 · November 25, 2006, 11:28:21 PM

Well, besides the fact that Greening (twice) and Milo scored, the positives to me are that (1) Scrivens saw action and was decent, and (2) this is the type of loss that Schafer historically has used to get the team to play consistently hard. We'll see if this squad shows a similar resolve.

ebilmes · November 25, 2006, 11:31:29 PM

[quote scoop85]Well, besides the fact that Greening (twice) and Milo scored, the positives to me are that (1) Scrivens saw action and was decent, and (2) this is the type of loss that Schafer historically has used to get the team to play consistently hard. We'll see if this squad shows a similar resolve.[/quote]

I hope you're right, and that we'll be able to look at this as a turning point. It just seems like Cornell has not played well over Thanksgiving break recently. We had shaky 5-4 and 5-3 wins over Niagara last year and a 3-3 tie to Mercyhurst a couple years before that.

Dpperk29 · November 25, 2006, 11:34:18 PM

I just got back from my first game at lynah this year, and I must say... I can't believe cornell lost.

Cornell was the better team, they just didn;t seem to want it. They came out extremely flat and WSU took advantage of it.

from an unbiased perspective, the officiating was pretty good. Maybe alittle one sided against wayne state, but Murphy called a pretty good game. The penatly shot, the penalty to scrivens, and sawada's cross-check were all really good calls which the Faithful didn;t like, but I had a perfect view of all of them, and they were good calls.

Scrivens was head and shoulders above davenport in net. however, neither of them looked comfortable in goal.

the question is... which cornell team will you see tommorrow? the one that came out tonight, or some other team which I am yet to see?

Jim Hyla · November 25, 2006, 11:50:01 PM

[quote Dpperk29]from an unbiased perspective, the officiating was pretty good. Maybe alittle one sided against wayne state, but Murphy called a pretty good game. The penatly shot, the penalty to scrivens, and sawada's cross-check were all really good calls which the Faithful didn;t like, but I had a perfect view of all of them, and they were good calls.[/quote]Well I could argue with you all night about the officials, but...what about the puck in the second period that was in the crease and he called it dead. The puck was completely uncovered and all we would have had to do would be to tap it in. As soon as he called it dead, he realized his mistake and tapped his chest, showing he knew he was wrong.

Then there was the diving on Sawada when he was held. However what bothered me the most was that he called alot of ticky tacky penalties in the first two periods and then let those same ones go by in the third. That was something they were to change this year, no more "let them play in the third". I don't know what the rule is on a goalie checking, but he did check a player with the puck, if that's a penalty so be it.

redice · November 25, 2006, 11:50:10 PM

I don't know if it was mentioned on the game thread...But, Ken Dryden attended the game at Lynah tonight. He was most accommodating in giving autographs and little conversation about those great Cornell teams that he played on.

Jim Hyla · November 25, 2006, 11:55:05 PM

[quote ithacat][quote oceanst41]I mean if you think about it they didn't play awful.[/quote]

::thud::

Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, but Wayne State is one of the worst teams in college hockey. For most of the game they skated harder, worked harder, and simply hustled more than Cornell. I never really saw any urgency by Cornell & this after having Schafer call out the team in the media. That's not a good sign.[/quote]Well, they did out shoot them 23-16 in the last 2 periods, and 11-6 in the third. I think they really did show urgency after their terrible first period.

I pulled this from the game thread since it belongs here.

Dpperk29 · November 26, 2006, 12:01:37 AM

[quote Jim Hyla]but...what about the puck in the second period that was in the crease and he called it dead. The puck was completely uncovered and all we would have had to do would be to tap it in. As soon as he called it dead, he realized his mistake and tapped his chest, showing he knew he was wrong.[/quote]

Those things happen. Murphy was on the other side of the goalie, and probably thought the goalie had it. He was probably trying to protect the goalie from the hacks that always follow. He owned up to it, it happens to everyone.

Sawada's dive was deffinatly a dive, good call there. I really can't think of a cornell penalty which wasn't warranted.

ebilmes · November 26, 2006, 12:04:34 AM

n/m

ajec1 · November 26, 2006, 12:06:47 AM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote ithacat]

Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, but Wayne State is one of the worst teams in college hockey. For most of the game they skated harder, worked harder, and simply hustled more than Cornell. I never really saw any urgency by Cornell & this after having Schafer call out the team in the media. That's not a good sign.[/quote]Well, they did out shoot them 23-16 in the last 2 periods, and 11-6 in the third. I think they really did show urgency after their terrible first period.

I pulled this from the game thread since it belongs here.[/quote]

At the same time, Cornell was just content to go through the motions. While we have done this in past years (see last year's Niagara series as an example), we are not as good as we have been in the past... Teams that have a tremendous amount of confidence, experience and talent can (and do) put it on cruise against lesser opponents, however, it is clear after tonight that we are not one of those teams.

Jim Hyla · November 26, 2006, 12:10:45 AM

[quote Dpperk29][quote Jim Hyla]but...what about the puck in the second period that was in the crease and he called it dead. The puck was completely uncovered and all we would have had to do would be to tap it in. As soon as he called it dead, he realized his mistake and tapped his chest, showing he knew he was wrong.[/quote]

Those things happen. Murphy was on the other side of the goalie, and probably thought the goalie had it. He was probably trying to protect the goalie from the hacks that always follow. He owned up to it, it happens to everyone.

Sawada's dive was deffinatly a dive, good call there. I really can't think of a cornell penalty which wasn't warranted.[/quote]Like I said we could argue all night, but why didn't you go up to Clarkson to see their biggest win of the year. I've made that road trip up and back in the same day.Sure your trip is an hour longer but hey it's worth it.:-D

ithacat · November 26, 2006, 12:26:04 AM

[quote Jim Hyla][quote ithacat][quote oceanst41]I mean if you think about it they didn't play awful.[/quote]

::thud::

Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, but Wayne State is one of the worst teams in college hockey. For most of the game they skated harder, worked harder, and simply hustled more than Cornell. I never really saw any urgency by Cornell & this after having Schafer call out the team in the media. That's not a good sign.[/quote]Well, they did out shoot them 23-16 in the last 2 periods, and 11-6 in the third. I think they really did show urgency after their terrible first period.

I pulled this from the game thread since it belongs here.[/quote]

Outshooting Wayne State 12-10 in the 2nd is hardly a constraining effort. Perhaps there were some moments of desperation in the 3rd that some may consider displaying urgency. All I know is that it's urgent I go to sleep because I'm desperate to forget this evening. ::burnout::

calgARI '07 · November 26, 2006, 12:35:12 AM

Pathetic performance tonight. Plain and simple. Some of the freshmen were good as was Carefoot but the rest of the veterans mailed it in. One of the more humiliating losses in recent Cornell history.

redhair34 · November 26, 2006, 12:40:06 AM

[quote Dpperk29]

from an unbiased perspective, the officiating was pretty good. Maybe alittle one sided against wayne state, but Murphy called a pretty good game. The penatly shot, the penalty to scrivens, and sawada's cross-check were all really good calls which the Faithful didn;t like, but I had a perfect view of all of them, and they were good calls.

...

Those things happen. Murphy was on the other side of the goalie, and probably thought the goalie had it. He was probably trying to protect the goalie from the hacks that always follow. He owned up to it, it happens to everyone.

[/quote]

Let's all defer to the "unbiased" opinion of the guy who comes on elynah and whines after every Clarkson loss about how awful the officiating was. Where were you sitting when you had such a perfect view of ALL of the calls you mentioned? Did you switch seats a few times?

QuoteSawada's dive was deffinatly a dive, good call there. I really can't think of a cornell penalty which wasn't warranted.

Can you substanaiate this claim? How do you "deffinatly" know it was a dive?

redhair34 · November 26, 2006, 12:45:31 AM

[quote calgARI '07]Pathetic performance tonight. Plain and simple. Some of the freshmen were good as was Carefoot but the rest of the veterans mailed it in. One of the more humiliating losses in recent Cornell history.[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up. The officiating wasn't the difference; the team mailing it in for the vast majority of the game was. Kudos to Wayne State. I'd like to see Scali tomorrow.