Wayne State Saturday Postgame

Omie · November 26, 2006, 10:15:31 AM

If you were in M you could hardly see the Scrivens incident. How does Scrivens cleanly checking the guy amount to roughing? I had a perfect view of it from D (direct line of sight) and it was just a very very bad call. Sawada's diving penalty occured on the opposite side of the ice from M so again you couldn't really see it that well it occured right in front me and I'll go with claiming it was a questionable call I won't categorically say bad but definitely questionable.

Dpperk29 · November 26, 2006, 10:29:32 AM

[quote Omie]If you were in M you could hardly see the Scrivens incident. How does Scrivens cleanly checking the guy amount to roughing? I had a perfect view of it from D (direct line of sight) and it was just a very very bad call. Sawada's diving penalty occured on the opposite side of the ice from M so again you couldn't really see it that well it occured right in front me and I'll go with claiming it was a questionable call I won't categorically say bad but definitely questionable.[/quote]

I will respectfully disagree with you and say that I could see the Scrivens incident very clearly. I could clearly see the wayne state player go in aggressivly and play the puck. Scrivens chose to bring both his hands up and throw the player away. Goalies outside their priviledged area cannot do that. Goalies cannot play the body outside their priviledged area.

reilly83 · November 26, 2006, 12:19:08 PM

Quote from: Dpperk29Goalies cannot play the body outside their priviledged area.

I'm not going to argue about what we each think we saw Scrivens do, but I will disagree about this.

From the 2006 Ice Hockey NCAA Rules and Interpretations, p. 41
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_m_w_ice_hockey_rules.pdf

Goalkeeper's Penalties
SECTION 7.

d. Within the rectangular area bounded in the rear by the player's end of
the rink, in front by an imaginary line connecting the special spots and
on the sides by imaginary lines from the special spots to the end boards,
the goalkeeper has certain privileges (see rink diagram). When outside
of this area, however, the goalkeeper must play the puck in the same
manner as that prescribed for other players and is subject to the same
penalties (see 6-19-b-2 and 6-40-c). The goalkeeper shall not body check
an opponent in the privileged area.

Bold and italics added by me.

oceanst41 · November 26, 2006, 12:58:10 PM

What I meant by Cornell not playing awful was that they were limiting 5 on 5 chances for Wayne State, while getting chances to score 5 on 5 themselves. Powerplay looked better than it has in recent games as well.

The difference was penalty killing. I can't fault the goalies on any of them either. They are more often than not making the inital save. When that happens you need to rely on the defense to help you clear the puck away from the net. Cornell isn't doing that right now, they are getting caught running around the zone. So when one of the goalies has made a save there is no one left to clear the puck away and the opponents have been putting these rebounds in. That is when they aren't leaving the cross-crease, slam-dunk goal option wide open.

I don't think anyone really expected this team to be top 10 in PK this year, but 55th is not going to cut it.

Jerseygirl · November 26, 2006, 01:03:43 PM

Have we seen the team trotting off to Friedman in their warmups for some post-game conditioning? Maybe it's time to bring that back...

redhair34 · November 26, 2006, 01:48:28 PM

It's too bad that there is no USCHO recap for the game. I'd really like to read the post game comments.

Beeeej · November 26, 2006, 02:09:38 PM

[quote reilly83]

Quote from: Dpperk29Goalies cannot play the body outside their priviledged area.

I'm not going to argue about what we each think we saw Scrivens do, but I will disagree about this.

From the 2006 Ice Hockey NCAA Rules and Interpretations, p. 41
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_m_w_ice_hockey_rules.pdf

Goalkeeper's Penalties
SECTION 7.

d. Within the rectangular area bounded in the rear by the player's end of
the rink, in front by an imaginary line connecting the special spots and
on the sides by imaginary lines from the special spots to the end boards,
the goalkeeper has certain privileges (see rink diagram). When outside
of this area, however, the goalkeeper must play the puck in the same
manner as that prescribed for other players and is subject to the same
penalties (see 6-19-b-2 and 6-40-c). The goalkeeper shall not body check
an opponent in the privileged area.

That is also how I remembered the rule, and what I was saying about it last night. Once he came out beyond the face-off dots, he was entitled to do anything any other player is entitled to do, as long as he didn't try playing the puck with his hands. So it would have had to be an actual roughing infraction, not just playing the body - and I didn't see an actual roughing infraction.
Bold and italics added by me.[/quote]

Dpperk29 · November 26, 2006, 05:03:48 PM

well, I guess that's what I get for trying to remember 3 rule books. either way, scrivens hands came up, which is an illegal body check...

billhoward · November 27, 2006, 11:04:58 AM

[quote ebilmes]What an ugly, terrible game. I don't see how you can spin this in any positive light. ... Lynah crowd was weak, but that's expected over break. ....[/quote]

Weekend's quoted attendance was
Saturday 4267 http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2006-2007/cumih09.html
Sunday 4051 http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2006-2007/cumih10.html

Jacob '06 · November 27, 2006, 11:26:47 AM

[quote billhoward][quote ebilmes]What an ugly, terrible game. I don't see how you can spin this in any positive light. ... Lynah crowd was weak, but that's expected over break. ....[/quote]

Weekend's quoted attendance was
Saturday 4267 http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2006-2007/cumih09.html
Sunday 4051 http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2006-2007/cumih10.html[/quote]

quoting attendance as tickets sold is stupid.

billhoward · November 27, 2006, 12:55:34 PM

Quoting attendance as tickets sold does continue the string of sold-out or nearly sold-out Lynah Rink games even if it means fewer pretzels and T-shirts sold between periods.

That's one more reason why it would be good to have more than the Cornell Big Red Sports Ministry of Information reporting on the game.

Did Cornell run any "plenty of general attendance tickets available" messaging, especially for Saturday's game? It's always a chance for Ithacans to go see Cornell.

ebilmes · November 27, 2006, 12:56:03 PM

[quote Jacob '06]
quoting attendance as tickets sold is stupid.[/quote]

Agreed. Seemed like a lot of students knew they weren't going to be at the games but didn't end up giving their tickets to anyone.

The numbers did pick up on the dropoff in attendance from Saturday to Sunday.

bandrews37 · November 28, 2006, 02:47:16 AM

[quote billhoward]Quoting attendance as tickets sold does continue the string of sold-out or nearly sold-out Lynah Rink games even if it means fewer pretzels and T-shirts sold between periods.

That's one more reason why it would be good to have more than the Cornell Big Red Sports Ministry of Information reporting on the game.

Did Cornell run any "plenty of general attendance tickets available" messaging, especially for Saturday's game? It's always a chance for Ithacans to go see Cornell.[/quote]

I happen to like the official Cornell account of the game. It's usually a pretty accurate account of the game without any editorializing. If I can't be at a game, I'd rather make my own judgements about it instead of someone else's.