NYTimes Article about Cornell vs. SUCKS

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote BMac]
There is NO engineering school equal or better than us with a comparable hockey team. :-)[/quote]

I know some ugly rodents who might beg to differ with that, too.  But then again, they lost to Holy Cross.

[Dpperk29]

[quote BMac]
There is NO engineering school equal or better than us with a comparable hockey team. :-)[/quote]

I can think of one. but I don't want to cause a rucus, so I will keep my mouth shut.

[Robb]

[quote Dpperk29][quote BMac]
There is NO engineering school equal or better than us with a comparable hockey team. :-)[/quote]

I can think of one. but I don't want to cause a rucus, so I will keep my mouth shut.[/quote]
Yeah, we don't like it when RPI fans mouth off:

  6. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
 11. Cornell University (NY)
 15. University of Wisconsin–Madison
 18. Princeton University (NJ)
 21. Harvard University (MA)
 26. Ohio State University
 28. University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
 37. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (NY)
 39. Yale University (CT)
 42. Boston University
 42. Dartmouth College (Thayer) (NH)

[ugarte]

[quote BMac]It's not basically true, though. It may be true for arts and sciences (which yes, is the biggest school) but for those of us in engineering, or ag, architecture, hum. ec, ilr, or hotel, it's not true at all- we are far better than harvard's program.[/quote]But it still is. No matter how good the engineering school is, when your mother tells her friends where you go/went to school, she says Cornell instead of Harvard and they react to Cornell instead of Harvard. It doesn't help things when Mom says defensive things like "Harvard doesn't have nearly as good an engineering program."

Inferiority complexes manifest themselves in a lot of ways.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

"I didn't know Cornell was in the Ivy League"  ::bang::

If I had a nickel for every time...

[ftyuv]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]"I didn't know Cornell was in the Ivy League"  ::bang::

If I had a nickel for every time...[/quote]
Well it's an understandable mistake.  After all, we are a state university.  

[RichH]

Here's why *I* think it's a great rivalry:

Ivy Championships by Team (all-time)
Harvard: 23
Cornell: 19
Field: 17

ECAC Championships (all-time)
Cornell: 11
Harvard: 8
Other Ivies: 1

ECAC Final Fours
Clarkson: 30
Cornell: 29
Harvard: 27
BU: 15 (really, they're still #4 after 21 years)

ECAC Finals appearances since 2001
Cornell: 5
Harvard: 5
Field: 2 (both North Country)

This is why the hockey rivalry is so special.  If it were really only about academic and social jealousy/inferiority/whatever, why aren't we drawing thousands more to the Harvard-Cornell lacrosse game?  I only want to see orange blood.  I yawn when I think about Harvard-Cornell football.  Let's load up the fish sack for that squash match. (guts on the wall!)

When two teams in a league (and sub-league) are so clearly butting heads for superiority so often, and for such a long historical period (wasn't the 1962 win vs. the established H team THE definitive "arrival" of the modern CU program?), there's going to be some real fire in that rivalry.

There are the geographical rivalries (Stanford-Cal, USC-UCLA, UNC-Duke, Clarkson-SLU), the traditional rivalries (Harvard-Yale, ND-BC, Giants-Dodgers, Clarkson-RPI), and then the competitive rivalries (Harvard-Cornell, BU-Cornell, Redskins-Cowboys, Red Wings-Avs, Penn-Princeton squeakball)...those are the rivalries where both sides have a such a history of sustained excellence that you start to hate each others' guts.  

Harvard is the only thing keeping this Cornell fan from claiming unquestioned dominance in Ivy Hockey.  And that's why I hate them.

[ebilmes]

Dear CU student,

Now that the Cornell men's ice hockey home games have begun I'd like to thank all of the CU students who have given the Athletic Department and myself positive feedback related to the ticket selection process that was implemented this season. Feedback is always welcome and we are open to suggestions that will improve the process. It is obvious that we once again have the most avid and loyal hockey fans in the nation. This is evidenced by the packed turnout in the student section at the three games held at home thus far this season (one an exhibition game and one on a Thursday night)!

Both the department and I value the atmosphere and the electricity that Cornell students bring to the home hockey games and congratulate the majority of the Cornell students on their good sense of sportsmanship and school spirit. It is disheartening, however, that SOME students continue to blemish the wholesome atmosphere of a premier sporting event by shouting obscenities at the visiting team. Cornell University and the NCAA have made a commitment to the values inherent in the sportsmanship policy that is printed on the front of your season tickets and, although I do not enjoy doing so, my staff and I will continue to remove students from the games and revoke the season tickets of those who violate the sportsmanship policy.

To reinforce your understanding of the sportsmanship policy the following is a reprint of the statement you signed when acquiring your season tickets. It should also serve to answer some of the questions students have asked in the past several weeks.

[Good sportsmanship, blah, blah]

I hope to make it through the duration of the season without having to revoke any more season tickets from the "Lynah faithful."

Gene M. Nighman '81

I don't know what game he was looking at when he talked about the packed student sections. Tons of empty seats for York and Robert Morris. Even for RIT, we had 10 empty seats in our row in B.

Edit: The title of the email was "Sportsmanship and spirit at hockey games-draft"

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Dpperk29][quote BMac]
There is NO engineering school equal or better than us with a comparable hockey team. :-)[/quote]

I can think of one. but I don't want to cause a rucus, so I will keep my mouth shut.[/quote]
Surely you've got to be joking...on both counts.

[ugarte]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Dpperk29][quote BMac]
There is NO engineering school equal or better than us with a comparable hockey team. :-)[/quote]

I can think of one. but I don't want to cause a rucus, so I will keep my mouth shut.[/quote]
Surely you've got to be joking...on both counts.[/quote]OK, I'm going to take Dpperk's side on this one. If we are going to get on RichS for rolling his eyes every time a Cornell fan says something positive about Cornell we can't exactly expect Clarkson fans to roll over and admit that Cornell is a better engineering school. For every reason that Cornell engineers think that it is, I presume Clarkson's engineers (and probably even RPI's ) have a reason that it isn't.

Especially when dealing with a reasonable Knight like Dpperk, can we chill a little about our academic standing?

[Scersk '97]

... SOME students continue to blemish the wholesome atmosphere of a premier sporting event...

The death knell of the Cornell hockey tradition will have already been rung if games at Lynah ever become known for their "wholesome atmosphere."

So many patronizing missives since, say, 1999 after relative silence from Athletics beforehand...  I wonder what changed?

[Josh '99]

[quote ebilmes]Edit: The title of the email was "Sportsmanship and spirit at hockey games-draft"[/quote]Heh.  Well done by them.

No mention of fish, though, eh?

[Chris '03]

[quote Scersk '97]

So many patronizing missives since, say, 1999 after relative silence from Athletics beforehand...  I wonder what changed?[/quote]

Damned if I know...::whistle::

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote ftyuv][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]"I didn't know Cornell was in the Ivy League"  ::bang::

If I had a nickel for every time...[/quote]
Well it's an understandable mistake.  After all, we are a state university.  [/quote]

I think even fewer people know that.

[nyc94]

[quote Scersk '97]

... SOME students continue to blemish the wholesome atmosphere of a premier sporting event...

The death knell of the Cornell hockey tradition will have already been rung if games at Lynah ever become known for their "wholesome atmosphere."

So many patronizing missives since, say, 1999 after relative silence from Athletics beforehand...  I wonder what changed?[/quote]

I don't know but it occurred around the time it became acceptable to bring a four week old baby to a hockey game.