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[ryeguy]

[quote Robb][quote ryeguy][quote Robb]I thought Coach Morris beats talent that doesn't work hard?  ::smashfreak::[/quote]

I know you're just kidding, but still,it's really not funny. I'm also willing to bet that you don't have a clue what happened.[/quote]

Funny is in the eye of the beholder.  I actually received a private message from another poster telling me how funny he/she thought my post was, so I guess the score is 1-1 now.[/quote]

Robb,I'd hope you can see how your statement would offend someone, especially someone who actually knows him. Also, let's not keep score, OK?
To everyone: You know a win in the Clarkson-Cornell rivalry would be all the more sweeter with him behind the bench. :-P

[ursusminor]

Trotsky,

Next year why don't you try starting RPI game threads, and I'll try starting threads here. We couldn't do much worse, and it wouldn't bother us when we fail. :-D

[RichH]

[quote ryeguy]To everyone: You know a win in the Clarkson-Cornell rivalry would be all the more sweeter with him behind the bench. :-P[/quote]

May I ask why?  Just knowing what I know about George Roll from his days at Oswego, and his first few years as head coach in Potsdam, I think he's an excellent coach with enough fire and coaching skills to keep the Clarkson program at a high level for years to come.  A worthy adversary, flying clipboard incidents aside.   ;-)

Was there any "sweetness" difference in victories over Harvard with TomASSoni, Mazz the Rat, or Teddy Rogaine behind the bench?  Nope.  So I disagree with your premise.

[ugarte]

While we are picking apart ryeguy's indefensible defense of Morris:

[quote ryeguy]Robb,I'd hope you can see how your statement would offend someone, especially someone who actually knows him. [/quote]

Of course we can see why it would offend someone who actually knows him. (I don't see how it could possibly offend anyone else, actually.) I don't see why we should care. Do you think Jay Leno is spending a lot of energy thinking "I wonder how Mrs. Libby wife is going to feel when I make a not-as-risque-as-my-audience-thinks reference to prison rape tonight"?

[Beeeej]

[quote RichH]Was there any "sweetness" difference in victories over Harvard with TomASSoni, Mazz the Rat, or Teddy Rogaine behind the bench?  Nope.  So I disagree with your premise.[/quote]

I notice you didn't go quite all the way back to Cleary, ca. 1990.  :-D

EDIT:  Of course, that's probably because you weren't there yet... but still, beating Cleary's Sucks squad in the ECAC QFs in 1990 was the most satisfying victory I remember against them, including the three times I've seen us beat them in the ECAC title game.

[ryeguy]

[quote ugarte]While we are picking apart ryeguy's indefensible defense of Morris[/quote]

What do you mean we? Just you and Robb, both clearly not knowing what happened in the incident. Others basically stated that they thought Robbs statement was uncalled for. Also, When someone makes a mockery of a person that I have respect for, obviously I'm going to say something in their defense. Would you?

[ryeguy]

[quote RichH][quote ryeguy]To everyone: You know a win in the Clarkson-Cornell rivalry would be all the more sweeter with him behind the bench. :-P[/quote]

May I ask why?  Just knowing what I know about George Roll from his days at Oswego, and his first few years as head coach in Potsdam, I think he's an excellent coach with enough fire and coaching skills to keep the Clarkson program at a high level for years to come.  A worthy adversary, flying clipboard incidents aside.   ;-)

Was there any "sweetness" difference in victories over Harvard with TomASSoni, Mazz the Rat, or Teddy Rogaine behind the bench?  Nope.  So I disagree with your premise.[/quote]

The rivalry didn't feel stronger to you when Morris was coaching? Maybe a little? :-} I got carried away with my wording above. I do agree with what you said.

[Robb]

[quote ryeguy][quote ugarte]While we are picking apart ryeguy's indefensible defense of Morris[/quote]

What do you mean we? Just you and Robb, both clearly not knowing what happened in the incident. Others basically stated that they thought Robbs statement was uncalled for. Also, When someone makes a mockery of a person that I have respect for, obviously I'm going to say something in their defense. Would you?[/quote]
Which others?  I looked, but couldn't find ANY posts besides yours even hinting (much less "basically stating") that my statement (which wasn't even a statement) was uncalled for.  So far ugarte, the TWO PMs that I have now gotten in support, and I (4 total) all thought it was funny, and you're the only fuddy-duddy who didn't.  

So you should probably think twice about trying to attack my position based on your belief that it is the minority position.

For the record, I don't care what happened in "the incident."  Maybe the player (his name escapes me) just lost an edge and hurt himself and the administration completely invented the story about an altercation because they didn't have the stones to just come out and fire him.  So what?  My opinion of the matter (even if I had one, which I don't) will do nothing to affect Morris in any way, shape, or form - whatever did or didn't happen has nothing to do with me.

"Morris beats his players" is a running gag on this forum, and is entirely appropriate in a sequence specifically recalling running gags.  If it were a basketball forum, I would've used Coach Knight.  The point wasn't to express my opinion about the incident - it was a silly pun on the word "beat."  Next time Beeeej and ugarte get into it, I half expect you'll come running in waving your arms and screaming, "but did you consider the lemmings' feelings?!"::rolleyes::

[RichH]

[quote ryeguy]The rivalry didn't feel stronger to you when Morris was coaching? Maybe a little? :-} I got carried away with my wording above. I do agree with what you said.[/quote]

A rivalry is usually at its best when both programs are peaking.  Be it butting heads at the top of the standings or in the latter rounds of playoffs.  Clarkson happened to have a few down years while Cornell tasted the top of the national rankings.  The roles were reversed in the early nineties.  But in the '96-'98 time-frame...good times for both schools, and a great time for that rivalry.  

While Morris happened to be behind the bench during those years, as a fan, I really didn't care about beating *him.*  I cared more about beating Todd White, JF Houle, Chris Clark, Willie Mitchell, Erik Cole, and Dan Murphy. It's the players on the great teams that most opposing fans focus on and loathe.  Only in rare cases where a coach is so old/famous/outspoken (I guess the best example I can think of is Bobby Knight...Jack Parker or Red Berenson are the closest I can get to a college hockey example) do I as a fan care about beating a coach.

Morris never really did anything to make me mad at him or have any reason to taunt him.  He ran a good program through my undergrad days.  The coaches who were targets to me: Gilligan, Gaudet, Grillo, Tomassoni, Mazz, and Fridgen on occasion.  (Wasn't around for ol' Baldy Cleary).  None of them did I ever really relish beating.  (exception: Mazz when he told his Miami team not to pack because they were staying another day at the '97 Western Regional.  He never had a chance with me accepting him as a respected opponent at Harvard)

Now about getting offended by the joke made here, ryeguy...sure, it seems personal to you, but to the regulars around here, it's the equivalent of a late night host making "Michael Jackson molests boys" or "Paris Hilton slept with the NY Giants" jokes.  It's hearsay and a one-off punchline.  This board is mostly not serious.  The less you react, the less often the joke will be made and vice versa  (see Nickerson, Matt).  Basically, when you remove your personal attachment to the situation, it is amusing.  Remember what Mel Brooks said: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.  

Hilarity is when Vermont players do the elephant walk which cancels their season.

[Ben Rocky '04]

[quote Robb]Which others?  I looked, but couldn't find ANY posts besides yours even hinting (much less "basically stating") that my statement (which wasn't even a statement) was uncalled for.  So far ugarte, the TWO PMs that I have now gotten in support, and I (4 total) all thought it was funny, and you're the only fuddy-duddy who didn't.  

So you should probably think twice about trying to attack my position based on your belief that it is the minority position.

For the record, I don't care what happened in "the incident."  Maybe the player (his name escapes me) just lost an edge and hurt himself and the administration completely invented the story about an altercation because they didn't have the stones to just come out and fire him.  So what?  My opinion of the matter (even if I had one, which I don't) will do nothing to affect Morris in any way, shape, or form - whatever did or didn't happen has nothing to do with me.

"Morris beats his players" is a running gag on this forum, and is entirely appropriate in a sequence specifically recalling running gags.  If it were a basketball forum, I would've used Coach Knight.  The point wasn't to express my opinion about the incident - it was a silly pun on the word "beat."  Next time Beeeej and ugarte get into it, I half expect you'll come running in waving your arms and screaming, "but did you consider the lemmings' feelings?!"::rolleyes::[/quote]

Will somebody please think of the lemmings??
[/end Ms. Lovejoy]

[ugarte]

[quote ryeguy][quote ugarte]While we are picking apart ryeguy's indefensible defense of Morris[/quote]

What do you mean we? Just you and Robb, both clearly not knowing what happened in the incident. Others basically stated that they thought Robbs statement was uncalled for.[/quote]

Me and Robb and RichH. And jtw was joking, not criticizing Robb. The only person on your side here (Hint: ::rolleyes: has shown heretofore undemonstrated (but still admirable) restraint in not automatically jumping in to the fray.

[Trotsky]

[quote ursusminor]Trotsky,

Next year why don't you try starting RPI game threads, and I'll try starting threads here. We couldn't do much worse, and it wouldn't bother us when we fail. :-D[/quote]Wouldn't the RPI-Cornell game create one of those paradoxes where Bob Heinlein sleeps with his mother?

[ryeguy]

[quote RichH]Now about getting offended by the joke made here, ryeguy...sure, it seems personal to you, but to the regulars around here, it's the equivalent of a late night host making "Michael Jackson molests boys" or "Paris Hilton slept with the NY Giants" jokes. It's hearsay and a one-off punchline. This board is mostly not serious. The less you react, the less often the joke will be made and vice versa (see Nickerson, Matt). Basically, when you remove your personal attachment to the situation, it is amusing. Remember what Mel Brooks said: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.

Hilarity is when Vermont players do the elephant walk which cancels their season.[/quote]

The way you talk about it and your use of comparisons does make me see how it could be used as a joke and nothing more. (Not that what happened was a joke.) I do know Mark Morris and grew up going to his hockey camps, so I hope you can see why it would offend me. There is really nothing to apologize about (on my part or anyone else) but I can say that I would not have kept this going had you posted this earlier. It was well said. Thanks Rich. I now see how what Robb said should be taken as nothing more than a joke. I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it. So let's just end this and go back to prior discussions. You got what you wanted out of me.