Lynah Attendance

[marty]

Depends on motive.  If they are innocently imitating, yes.  If they are driven by profit, every fan could protest vociferously and the ROI would still demand they do it.  MBAs cannot help themselves.

This is didactic to the point of incoherence! Organic and sincere fan outrage is an indicator of where the profit lies! This is why you speak up! It's not like there is some payola involved that gets Cornell a fee to play certain songs during the break; if anything there's an expense to playing canned music. I am plenty anticapitalist but what's the point of doomsaying action?

I would not be at all surprised to learn that some Cornell donor profits in some way from the licence fee for playing the canned music during games. Such is the world.

Semi-tangent that I've always wondered -- is the pep band covered under some sort of university- or athletic-department-wide licensing agreement?

Pep bands and marching bands generally pay a licensing fee per song directly to the song's publisher in return for the right to rearrange it, and that includes performance rights. So there's no need for separate payment to, or inclusion in someone else's agreement with, an aggregator like ASCAP or BMI.

And for what it's worth, to my knowledge, neither the organization of composers that owns ASCAP nor the PE firm that owns BMI has a Cornell alum in a high-level position.

Would love to donate to the Pep Band to hear a cover of the Grateful Dead's 'Casey Jones' every game.

Not sure why they don't play it...perhaps the words. But donate anyway!

[pjd8]

Depends on motive.  If they are innocently imitating, yes.  If they are driven by profit, every fan could protest vociferously and the ROI would still demand they do it.  MBAs cannot help themselves.

This is didactic to the point of incoherence! Organic and sincere fan outrage is an indicator of where the profit lies! This is why you speak up! It's not like there is some payola involved that gets Cornell a fee to play certain songs during the break; if anything there's an expense to playing canned music. I am plenty anticapitalist but what's the point of doomsaying action?

I would not be at all surprised to learn that some Cornell donor profits in some way from the licence fee for playing the canned music during games. Such is the world.

Semi-tangent that I've always wondered -- is the pep band covered under some sort of university- or athletic-department-wide licensing agreement?

Pep bands and marching bands generally pay a licensing fee per song directly to the song's publisher in return for the right to rearrange it, and that includes performance rights. So there's no need for separate payment to, or inclusion in someone else's agreement with, an aggregator like ASCAP or BMI.

And for what it's worth, to my knowledge, neither the organization of composers that owns ASCAP nor the PE firm that owns BMI has a Cornell alum in a high-level position.

Would love to donate to the Pep Band to hear a cover of the Grateful Dead's 'Casey Jones' every game.

Contact the pep band manager Brian "Dawgs" Gu '27 at bg466@cornell.edu. The pep band web site is: http://pepband.bigredbands.org/

[Scersk '97]

Would love to donate to the Pep Band to hear a cover of the Grateful Dead's 'Casey Jones' every game.

Not sure why they don't play it...perhaps the words. But donate anyway!

Looking forward to hearing Casey Jones at quarter note = 144.

("Be careful Ryan, sh-ome things in here don't react well to bullet-sh.")

[BearLover]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

[stereax]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

[BearLover]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

Yes but, this is mostly an exercise to see how many more students we could get to come just from reducing prices

[ugarte]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

Yes but, this is mostly an exercise to see how many more students we could get to come just from reducing prices

i absolutely think student tickets should be heavily subsidized. bl is very right about this one. offer the available seats for non season ticket holders by lottery. something to make sure the house is always packed. even the casuals will get loud if the game is close.

[stereax]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

Yes but, this is mostly an exercise to see how many more students we could get to come just from reducing prices

i absolutely think student tickets should be heavily subsidized. bl is very right about this one. offer the available seats for non season ticket holders by lottery. something to make sure the house is always packed. even the casuals will get loud if the game is close.

For sure, but iirc most of the student side tix already sell out. I think more of the problem is that there's a cadre of student STH that only come to a few games.

Students get most sporting events free the week of, besides hockey. My student side season tix are I think $220 on the year, give or take, and then another $30 for the women's add on. So $15 a game for men's hockey and probably closer to $9 a game for hockey overall.

What you probably actually want that can be implemented in practice is flex pricing for less important opponents (Holy Cross could be a $5 game) or day-of discounts. Ideally, some way to be like "if you're not scanned in by 7:15 we can give your seat to the next person", but that's a massive stretch.

[Dafatone]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

Yes but, this is mostly an exercise to see how many more students we could get to come just from reducing prices

i absolutely think student tickets should be heavily subsidized. bl is very right about this one. offer the available seats for non season ticket holders by lottery. something to make sure the house is always packed. even the casuals will get loud if the game is close.

For sure, but iirc most of the student side tix already sell out. I think more of the problem is that there's a cadre of student STH that only come to a few games.

Students get most sporting events free the week of, besides hockey. My student side season tix are I think $220 on the year, give or take, and then another $30 for the women's add on. So $15 a game for men's hockey and probably closer to $9 a game for hockey overall.

What you probably actually want that can be implemented in practice is flex pricing for less important opponents (Holy Cross could be a $5 game) or day-of discounts. Ideally, some way to be like "if you're not scanned in by 7:15 we can give your seat to the next person", but that's a massive stretch.

I haven't been to a game at Lynah in nearly two decades, but I would worry that cheaper tickets would just do what  Stereax is saying and make it easier to buy tickets and not show up.

[ursusminor]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but losing Shane Smith and Josh Evaschesen really hurts RPI. RPI still will be better than last year, but I now think that the 'Tute will be lucky to get a home game in the playoffs. A bye looks unlikely.

[stereax]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but losing Shane Smith and Josh Evaschesen really hurts RPI. RPI still will be better than last year, but I now think that the 'Tute will be lucky to get a home game in the playoffs. A bye looks unlikely.

Mildly so - RPI hasn't had a ton of success lately. As such, the tickets are probably not going to be super expensive. Sorry for pouring salt in the wound, Ursus 😅

[ursusminor]

RPI student season tickets cost $50, or $3.30 per game. How many more students would attend Cornell hockey games if they were that cheap?

RPI, famously a really good team right now,

As far as I know, student tickets have never been expensive at RPI.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but losing Shane Smith and Josh Evaschesen really hurts RPI. RPI still will be better than last year, but I now think that the 'Tute will be lucky to get a home game in the playoffs. A bye looks unlikely.

Mildly so - RPI hasn't had a ton of success lately. As such, the tickets are probably not going to be super expensive. Sorry for pouring salt in the wound, Ursus 😅

[marty]

What you probably actually want that can be implemented in practice is flex pricing for less important opponents (Holy Cross could be a $5 game) or day-of discounts. Ideally, some way to be like "if you're not scanned in by 7:15 we can give your seat to the next person", but that's a massive stretch.

This makes the most sense.  Thank you.