Garman is gone (from the hockey program)

[Scersk '97]

You know, one would think that he could stick around and take grad classes while still technically being a "senior" and then matriculate at the end of next year.  But that would require (1) that he wants to go to grad school, something I wouldn't wish on anybody; (2) that he wants to go to grad school at Cornell, which may not be the best choice in his particular discipline; (3) that his discipline is one in which you would normally have to pay for your master's, otherwise he'd be perhaps (again) giving up money; and (4) some pretty significant collusion on the part of a Cornell department and/or college.

What does it say that the last one is the one that I figure wouldn't happen?

[Robb]

But does anyone know the rules about how long you can stay, once you've satisfied all criteria?

My situation may shed a little light on that.  I was planning to finish in 7 semesters (AP credit), then start an MEng in my 8th semester.  However, I had a outside scholarship that was paying toward my undergrad tuition.  The engineering office said that if I completed all my undergrad requirements in 7 semesters, I could no longer register as an undergrad for my 8th semester, which would cause me to lose the scholarship money.  Therefore, I had to be sure to leave one undergrad course remaining, so that I could technically stay registered as an undergrad.  Of course, since I didn't know this too far ahead of time, I had already taken all my easy undergrad electives, so I had to reserve a senior-level engineering course.  That course, plus the 15 highly technical graduate courses I needed towards my MEng made for an absolutely BRUTAL 2nd semester senior year...

Also note that after 7 semesters, I did have enough raw credits to graduate - in order to avoid graduating early, I had to be sure to leave a required course unfilled.  Presumably, athletes with lots of credits who want to maintain Ivy League eligibility would have to play the same game - rack up all the credits you want, but don't fulfill all the required courses.

[KeithK]

Random related question. If you graduate after three years and want to go to grad school elsewhere can you use your fourth year of eligibility immediately or would you need to sit out a year? Normally transfers require a year wait but IMO there ought to be an exception for graduating.

[phillysportsfan]

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/11903/all/1/
NCAA proposal 2005-54: A student-athlete who earns an undergraduate degree in four years but still has one year of eligibility remaining can transfer into another college's graduate school and finish his or her playing career there immediately without having to sit out a year.

There was discussion about this on the basketball board relating to a Penn player Dan Monckton who lost one year on a redshirt and graduated in 4 years

[TimV]

Two Yale lacrosse players, the face-off specialist Killaugher from a couple years ago, and an attackman, Hunt did this at Maryland and Loyola, I think.

[KeithK]

Good.

Maybe it hasn't happened in hockey because there's so much opportunity to go pro. A kid who finishes early and is a good enough player to land a spot on another team will probably just go pro.

[css228]

It says that there are four possible options out there all around 20 years old... any speculation to who those options are?

[Josh '99]

Two Yale lacrosse players, the face-off specialist Killaugher from a couple years ago, and an attackman, Hunt did this at Maryland and Loyola, I think.

Zack Greer did that too, finished his undergrad at Duke in four years and then played his fifth year of eligibility for Bryant while enrolled as a grad student without having to skip a year.

[Jim Hyla]

More by Brandon Thomas on Garman leaving.

[ugarte]

Random related question. If you graduate after three years and want to go to grad school elsewhere can you use your fourth year of eligibility immediately or would you need to sit out a year? Normally transfers require a year wait but IMO there ought to be an exception for graduating.

Cornell wrestlers have used their final year of eligibility while in grad school somewhere else. Tyler Shovlin went to UNC-Greensboro and I think there was one other in the recent past.

[rdez79]

will he go pro or might he do enroll in another school after grad?