Cornell-Syracuse Postgame

[Swampy]

[quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio]Sounds like they discussed the "43 clear" during the 'Cuse time out but maybe they didn't talk about the "Gilman clear" (heave the ball far and high downfield) if someone was about to be trapped.  Or maybe Moyer thought he was clear of Nims?[/quote]
It definitely sounds like they didn't discuss the "Gilman clear" and it is Coach T's biggest regret about how the game unfolded. In the end, if I can have one guy carrying the ball who needs to make a decision, Moyer is a guy I trust. Thinking about it still hurts a little.[/quote]

From what I could see on my little TV screen, the Syracuse defenders were all lining up at the midfield stripe so that Moyer was hemmed in. Cornell's middies and attackmen should have gotten open in the offensive part of the field so Moyer had a someone to pass to. It wasn't all his fault but rather a general breakdown.::bang::

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Swampy]
From what I could see on my little TV screen, the Syracuse defenders were all lining up at the midfield stripe so that Moyer was hemmed in. Cornell's middies and attackmen should have gotten open in the offensive part of the field so Moyer had a someone to pass to. It wasn't all his fault but rather a general breakdown.::bang::[/quote]It was all his fault that he did not just flip it downfield. As I said before, physical fatigue leads to mental fatigue.

[Swampy]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote Swampy]
From what I could see on my little TV screen, the Syracuse defenders were all lining up at the midfield stripe so that Moyer was hemmed in. Cornell's middies and attackmen should have gotten open in the offensive part of the field so Moyer had a someone to pass to. It wasn't all his fault but rather a general breakdown.::bang::[/quote]It was all his fault that he did not just flip it downfield. As I said before, physical fatigue leads to mental fatigue.[/quote]

I agree that in retrospect this was a mistake. However, in an actual game situation players are taught to try to keep possession of the ball rather than toss it to no one in particular and create the likelihood of a turnover. It was a combination of mental fatigue and years of training to do something different. A player coming in fresh off the bench might have done exactly the same thing.

On the other hand, players are also taught to get open and to talk to each other. Moyer should have known a man was coming up behind him ("Man coming behind you"), his teammates should have been running into open space, and someone should have been shouting to him that "here's your help." In other words, my point is that teams practice ways of dealing with the situation Moyer was in, but the system broke down. Of course, with the large crowd he might not have heard his teammates. The fact that Syracuse had been there before and played in such conditions also factors in.

[KenP]

A slightly adapted version....

Oh what a circus, oh what a show
ELynah has gone to town
Over the loss of a game for NCAA
We've all gone crazy
Mourning all day and mourning all night
Falling over ourselves to get all of the misery right.......

[Trotsky]

Who did you beat lose to yesterday?

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Swampy][quote Jim Hyla][quote Swampy]
From what I could see on my little TV screen, the Syracuse defenders were all lining up at the midfield stripe so that Moyer was hemmed in. Cornell's middies and attackmen should have gotten open in the offensive part of the field so Moyer had a someone to pass to. It wasn't all his fault but rather a general breakdown.::bang::[/quote]It was all his fault that he did not just flip it downfield. As I said before, physical fatigue leads to mental fatigue.[/quote]I agree that in retrospect this was a mistake. However, in an actual game situation players are taught to try to keep possession of the ball rather than toss it to no one in particular and create the likelihood of a turnover. [/quote]Actually, some are taught to throw it downfield in situations just like this. Who cares about a turnover with 10 seconds to go, in a period or end of game.

[TimV]

The way this has happened in 07 and 09, I propose a new drill for the defense:  in end game situations such as these, with the ball in the air going in the general direction of a lone shooter in scoring position, the first option is:  TACKLE THE SUCKER BEFORE THE BALL ARRIVES!  The result is a loose ball hold call with possession awarded to the fouled team, but at least you get a whistle and can a) settle up the defense before the ensuing whistle or b)call a time out.  Please.::bang::

[Jim Hyla]

Got this email from AD Noel:

Friends of the Big Red.....

This thoughtful letter was sent to the Ivy League office from a mother who had no affiliation with any team in the Final Four.
Thought you may be interested in her comments.

Andy
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*From*: Liz Krukowski
*Date*: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:15:20 -0400
*To*:
*Subject*: NCAA Lacrosse Championships
Dear Mr. Wesley,

     I am writing to congratulate your men's lacrosse team on their outstanding display of sportmanship that they displayed in Foxboro, Massachusetts during the 2009 NCAA lacrosse championships.  I was part of a small group of parents  from Binghamton, N.Y who brought our teenage boys to watch the three days of playoff games.  The Cornell men's team left a big impression on all of us, even though we were not particularly cheering for any one team.
     I was thoroughly impressed  with their composure, camaraderie, respect, and well regimented behaviors displayed throughout the entire game.  Our sons were impressed with how the team, even after their heartbreaking loss, approached the stadium crowd and honored their fans and pep bands with their  'lacrosse stick' salutes.
    Needless to say the following week, as their own high school lacrosse team suffered a play- off loss to a rival team, our sons followed the example of the Cornell men by saluting their parents and
friends with their sticks after the game.    We have all quickly
become Cornell Lacrosse fans.  There are very few good role models in sports programs today. This Lacrosse team is by far, the most outstanding group of young men I have seen. Congratulations to all the players on their outstanding season.

                                                           Liz Krukowski

[Killer]

[quote Redscore]I firmly believe that things happen for a reason and good things are going to come out of this.
I cant wait for next year.

Well, one good thing that will come out of this (Boston fans will understandably disagree) is that the Red Sox won't win the World Series this year.

How do I know that?  You see, I was involved in negotiations with the Gods of Sport, and had worked out an arrangement whereby I'd gladly accept a Red Sox victory in the fall, so long as we got a Big Red victory on Monday.  Alas, the deal is off.

Sorry, Red Sox Nation. ;-)[/quote]

Good to see that the Gods have honor and did not renege by trying to pull a fast one and slip the Red Sox in.  And though, comparatively, this is but a bucket of solace in a sea of despair, it's damn good to see the Commissioner's Trophy back where it belongs.  And yes, Pedro, your daddy sure as hell does have a new house.

[KeithK]

[quote Redscore]I firmly believe that things happen for a reason and good things are going to come out of this.
I cant wait for next year.

Well, one good thing that will come out of this (Boston fans will understandably disagree) is that the Red Sox won't win the World Series this year.

How do I know that?  You see, I was involved in negotiations with the Gods of Sport, and had worked out an arrangement whereby I'd gladly accept a Red Sox victory in the fall, so long as we got a Big Red victory on Monday.  Alas, the deal is off.

Sorry, Red Sox Nation. ;-)

Good to see that the Gods have honor and did not renege by trying to pull a fast one and slip the Red Sox in.  And though, comparatively, this is but a bucket of solace in a sea of despair, it's damn good to see the Commissioner's Trophy back where it belongs.  And yes, Pedro, your daddy sure as hell does have a new house.[/quote]
Amen.

[ugarte]

Hey, while this thread was reactivated, did anyone else see that Syracuse lost to their Division II neighbor Le Moyne? Man, I really want to beat Syracuse this year.

[Josh '99]

Hey, while this thread was reactivated, did anyone else see that Syracuse lost to their Division II neighbor Le Moyne? Man, I really want to beat Syracuse this year.

I do too, but I really wanted it to be Memorial Day weekend.  ::bang::

[billhoward]

Geez, was it necessary to bring back this thread? This is worse than sucking PCBs out of bottom of the Hudson and back to the surface.