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Quote from: chimpfoodI'm less confident, I just hope we can sneak our way into Ivy madness after losing so many key pieces. Noard isn't a guy that I see being able to take on most of the volume scoring that we're losing from Naz, AK, etc so I think we're gonna need to see some other guys step it up. If Beccles can become a bona fide point guard or Hinton can become a 10/5/5 guy with good defense I love our odds though.

Didn't know about the Michigan state game, that's exciting.

We're really falling into the "ivy madness" marketing, eh?  The ILT does seem all that, but what do I know?

I hope not.  There is no need to give a small conference post-season tournament, which are as common as crabgrass, a cute brand.  And I like Ivy hoops!

The cupboard isn't bare, but the losses from last year are pretty significant. I agree that a top four finish is doable and since the tournament is at Newman, who knows? But we're talking a 15-11 kind of season, not 20 wins, unless the newcomers are really good.

Quote from: ugarteNot making a new thread for this but Chris Mañon had a very good summer league and was signed to a two-way deal by the Lakers. He'll probably wind up in the G but that's still cool.

Also, the NBA spells his name with a tilde which I don't think Cornell ever did.

Vandy did too.  I think Chris made the switch last year.  I remember watching a Vandy game, maybe in the NCAAs, and the announcers were pronouncing his name slightly differently.

It seems early to start a generic hoops thread, so more thread drift here.

Princeton's Caden Pierce, the 23-24 POY, is sitting out this upcoming season so he can take grad year somewhere else and get some sweet NIL money.

That's good news for Cornell's chances of making the ILT in its host year.  Yale is lock to make the ILT, as they always are, Columbia is mess until proven otherwise, and everyone else is in the hopper with a chance to make the ILT (Penn fans have anointed their Quakers as clear #2, your mileage may vary).

Watching St. Mary's/Vandy and I had to confirm that the Cornell pronunciation guide from last year said it was Chris MANN-in.  It's his name, and Chris would hardly be the first to ask for a change, but I had to double check that I wasn't getting wrong for four years.

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Quote from: nycredMañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.

I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.

Hate that AK's Cornell career may be (probably is) over, but I can't fault a family for stopping tuition payments after three years.  Have to think AK will be in heavy demand as a grad transfer.  I'd pick him over Manon, and I liked Chris a lot, every time.

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Quote from: Mr. Nissdisappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.

In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)

Looking at KenPom, there are four teams ranked below us who made the NIT:

San Jose State (15-19) is in ... because they said yes. Mountain West had an autobid for the top team not in the NCAAs; UNLV, Nevada and Boise State (going to the Crown) all declined.

Kent State is in as the MAC autobid.

UC Riverside? Big West only gets one autobid and Irvine and Northridge are also in the field.

Furman?!? The SoCon doesn't even get an automatic bid, and Chattanooga and Samford are also in the field.

We may have been left out for geographical reasons. They try to keep travel light; Riverside is playing at Santa Clara and Furman (Greenville, SC) is heading to North Texas (Austin). St. Bonaventure is hosting a midwest autobid (Kent State) and any other geographically sensible opponent is hosting someone ranked ahead of us.

Cornell was probably in the band of possibles, but only because so many teams bagged. Looks like tOSU, Penn St., WVU, Indiana, Northwestern, Iowa, Pitt, Kansas State, Rutgers (what a disappointing year they had), Minnesota, Florida State, Virginia, and UNLV all called it a season.  I was hoping that would open up a spot of our guys, but travel probably played a big role.  If PSU had agreed to go, we might have have been their opponent (another reason to dislike the Nits).

Cornell almost certainly could have gone to the CBI, they couldn't even fill their 16 team bracket and their best team is probably Ill. St.  But I imagine the school thought there were better uses for what that would have cost.

At least Princeton wasn't picked over Cornell.

Quote from: arugulaThat's a shame. Great coach. Never should've left here. Could've been a Shaferesque institution. Went for the lottery ticket.

Hate to hear it, but you knew he wasn't surviving this season.  

It packs less of an emotional punch, but Engles is out at Columbia.

Cain is the 11th man in Cornell's 10 man rotation.  Most games Chris gets 3-4 quiet minutes at the end of the first half, or for a possession before a media timeout, to keep Ragland from picking up an extra foul; he's fine in that role.  Kiachian has been a pleasant surprise this year considering his prior Cornell career, and he has helped immensely as a rebounder.  Sure, Ragland is a better player, but Ryan's a useful option off the bench.

Ragland is actually seeing career highs in minutes, about 10% more time on the court than under Earl.  Of course, it is his first year as a starter and Jon rides his starters more heavily than Brian did. His issue is that he can get in foul trouble.  Not like Chris Manon, but enough that Jon has to regulate the minutes so that he has Guy available at the end.

Yale is physical and as a result they are elite on the glass while Cornell, well, isn't.  For the Big Red to win, they can't afford to have one of those games with they are giving up double digit offensive rebounds.  Keep Yale honest on the boards, and this one is highly winnable.

For your viewing pleasure, Luke Benz runs a ton of simulationson the Ivy season.  (Go to the Ivy League tab).  Basically, Yale, Princeton and the Big Red are in great shape for the ILT, and the last team in is a crap shoot.  He's a little more bullish on Dartmouth than I am, but it makes an interesting follow.

Brown dual was more of the same.  27th straight win over the Bears, who have Cornell great Jordan Leen as their coach.


125: Milani WMD 14-2  
133: Qureshi L 4-1
141: Saunders W 16-15
149: Fernandez W 4-1 (OT)
157: Shapiro W 5-2
165: Ramirez WMD 13-2
174: Ruiz WTF 22-7 (6:40)
184: Foca WMD 8-0
197: Dellagatta WBF (4:40)
285: Davis W 4-1 (OT)
Cornell 35 Brown 3

The skill gap between Cornell and this weekend's opponents was pretty massive.  In a lot of ways, the best news is that no one looked to have been injured.

Quote from: scoop85While not on a back-to-back, this is the 1st time we've beaten Penn and Princeton on the road in the same season since we went 14-0 in the league in 2007-2008. I forgot how bad Princeton was that season until I looked at the box score.

Great catch!  Man, it really doesn't feel the same this way.

Playing around with KenPom, Cornell is the #1 team in nation for both 2 point FG percentage and effective FG percentage (all shots with a 50% bonus for 3 pointers).

Huge, huge win, as everybody has said.  Shot brilliantly from the line, so whatever was going on against Brown seems to have passed.  

Tied with Princeton for second in the league, and with the tie-breaker over them, and 3 road wins.  First place Yale has only on road win.  Gotta hold serve next weekend at home and Dartmouth is a lot more dangerous than in recent years.  But the team is in a great place.

Quote from: chimpfoodTerrible coaching at the end there, Jacques NEEDS to call a timeout the second that naz crossed half after that missed free throw but he just let him go. Not to mention how after that naz was trapped under the hoop and we still didn't call a timeout. And then the last shot being a fadeaway from our big man was icing on the cake. Terrible finish, this loss could come back to hurt us. I want everyone on the team shooting 100 free throws every morning for the next week.

A more experienced coach would probably be ready to take a TO once Nazir got in trouble under the basket, but new coaches make mistakes.  The good ones learn. My guess is most coaches would have let their senior playmaker, who is normally tremendous in the open court, try to take advantage of a chaotic situation and not taken a TO.  This team is generally more dangerous playing full court, rather than half.  I had no issues with that decision other than it didn't work this time.

And the playbook for "you have less than a second to get a shot off" is pretty limited. You take what you can get.

This game was lost because Cornell played horrible defense as opposed to merely poor defense.  And they still likely win if they hit free throws at their usual rate.

Quote from: rss77Got outhustled and outmuscled today.  Brown's 2nd chances on shots were the difference.  Cornell has had a tough time getting stops on defense this year. Pm

Aaron Cooley looked all-world out there.

You have to think Brown will be desperate today.  They really played poorly in hosting Harvard on Saturday.