ELynah Forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3F4uRoWnxQ&eurl=

If you're disgusted with a corrupt DA pandering to a maleable constituency by persecuting demonstrably innocent people you can write to the North Carolina Attorney General, Roy Cooper, requesting an special prosecutor.

See http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/ for a sample letter to use in whole or simply to get you started.
 
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/450867.html

Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life, so why not go for the brass ring when fortune and an unscrupulous DA have put it so appetizingly close?  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195753,00.html

Also, the inevitable result of "thought leadership" from the likes of Jesse Jackson, The New York Times and AAS programs

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/thomassowell/2006/05/17/197673.html

[quote nyc94][quote Ken '70][quote billhoward]"Mission Accomplished?" We're shocked, shocked, that a poliician would play an ethnic or race card.

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Except he's not a politician, he's a DA.  There is a difference.[/quote]

No, when the DA is an elected position they become politicians.[/quote]

Just because you're elected doesn't mean you're in politics.  For example see definition of politics here, noting exception for judicial branch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician

[quote billhoward]"Mission Accomplished?" We're shocked, shocked, that a poliician would play an ethnic or race card.

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Except he's not a politician, he's a DA.  There is a difference.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/436642.html

"The Duke lacrosse case was the overwhelming issue," said Philip Cousin, a longtime Durham Committee member who is also a Durham County commissioner and the minister at St. Joseph's AME Church. "I think a lot of people thought there wouldn't be any arrests. When Nifong came through with the indictments, that indicated to the black community he would be fair."

[quote ugarte] Just checkin': You are aware that it is possible that you were right about this case [/quote]

Yuh think?

QuoteAND that you are being an asshole, right?

Hey, I understand, it's human nature.  When you've completely missed the obvious you feel embarrassed and foolish.  People lash out under these circumstances.  Really, I do understand.

As expected...

http://www.wral.com/news/8893975/detail.html

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1

I didn't know I was going to have to actually IDENTIFY anybody, I thought I could just get me the money from, you know, what I said.  Damn, wouldn't you just know I'd go ahead and pick one that wasn't there. Can I try again?

http://www.nbc17.com/news/8602612/detail.html

Who woulda' thunk it?

[quote Jerseygirl]
I don't have any right-wing radio hosts to cite on this one, but do ya think that maybe, just maybe, some women recant because they don't want to go through the considerable stress of a trial? Or because they don't want the details of their sex lives detailed in public as evidence that they are not credible? Or because, quite simply, they don't think they're going to be believed? If someone recants, it doesn't mean no rape occurred. It means no one is going to get tried.

And, for what it's worth, I've had friends on both sides of this issue -- one of my male friends was accused of rape by a girl with whom he had broken up (she eventually recanted), and an acquaintance of mine was on her way home from a party and got picked up by two men. They followed her into her house and raped her. She went to the hospital but never pressed charges because she had been drinking and didn't think she would be believed that it wasn't consensual.[/quote]

I appreciate your honesty in relating the story of your friend who made the false claim.  But it's not quite correct to characterize this and the real rape your other friend experienced as being "both sides of this issue".  The issue we (at least I) have been discussing is to what degree we should take the Duke accuser's claim at anything approaching face value, as the Duke administration, campus zealots, and much of the press has.  The issue here is not a general consideration of rape in America.  I don't doubt there are unreported rapes and that the under-reporting may be significantly higher for this type of crime than others for the reasons you give.

I "put aside", as you asked me to, the specifics of the Duke accuser to the extent I considered some general statistics about rape and rape accusations that had bearing on this case and which supported my view that this rape claim was a fabrication.  On this score the news becomes more convincing every day http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-722409.html (but hey, Holy Cross beat Minnesota, so anything is possible)

As for the right wing radio host, he's not the source of this data but simply summarizing research/experience by:

- Eugene Kanin, Purdue sociology prof.
- Washington Post
- Linda Fairstein, NY DA Sex Crime Unit
- Craig Silverman, former CO prosecutor

I don't know to what extent Kanin, Fairstein or Silverman may have "right wing" views, but I'm pretty certain the Washington Post doesn't.

[quote Jerseygirl] I asked you to PUT ASIDE this case for a moment and ask yourself what kind of moral criteria a woman has to have before she is allowed to accuse someone of rape. According to the post I quoted, you tried to use the fact that a woman had children by different fathers and was allegedly a prostitute as evidence to discredit her claim.

It's exactly this kind of moral condemnation that makes so many women afraid to speak up about rape, which is a serious crime and ruins people's lives. [/quote]

Jerseygirl,

I have no moral criteria for an accuser to be able bring charges. My issue is with people who abandon facts and common sense and accept all claims equally at face value.  

Women are their own worst enemy when it comes to cedibility and rape charges.  Approx. 40% to 50% of all rape charges are eventually recanted by the women who initially brought them (see http://www.glennsacks.com/research_shows_false.htm as one of many on this topic).  And how many false claims are never recanted?

In this case we have even more reasons for skepticism.  Since the alleged victim is black and the alleged attackers white, we can look to the Dept. of Justice's Natonal Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS, at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus03.pdf , see table 42) to see the frequency of white on black rapes in 2003.  The number of white rapists reported by black victims in 2003 is so small it's reported as 0%.  This table is only for single offenders, however a further analysis of the data done by Jared Taylor ( http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm ) also shows multiple offender white on black rape to approximate 0%.

Finally we turn to the topic under discussion, the character of the accuser.  While the above would lead us to be careful about such an accusation leveled by a reputable black woman, the accuser in this case is a convicted car thief who tried to run down a police officer, an admitted hooker and reported drug user.  

Investigate the claim - absolutely.  But take it as more credible than the players denials, and put the onus of proof on the accused, as the Duke administration and far left at Duke are doing  - simply an act of ideology not only unsubstantiated but contradicted by any relevant data at hand.

Just to summarize viewing for a lot of New England Comcast customers on CN8:

Friday
- Northeast Semi #1 4:00PM
- Northeast Semi #2 7:00PM

Saturday
- East Semi #1 12:00PM
- East Semi #2 3:00PM

Sunday
- East Final    2:00PM
- Midwest Final 5:00PM:-)

Perhaps Jayson isn't so much trying to predict what the committee will do, but he's getting out ahead of them and making a suggestion as to what they should do, and providing the justification for them.

Krantz is really awful. Always has been.