Duke to forfeit games to Georgetown and Mount St. Mary's

[nyc94]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote nyc94]
Delta, would you tone it down please?[/quote]

Sorry. You're right. I should just not read this thread anymore based if I'm gonna get this riled up by the blatant racism. Sad thing is I'm interested in the general topic.

< sigh >

I'll remove my earlier post if people would like.[/quote]

I'm not taking sides with anyone but I fail to see how this is blatant racism.

Based on what we know from the newspapers the prosecution has a pretty lousy case.  Since the burden of proof in a civil case is lower than a criminal case the accuser may have a better case but it again based on what we know it seems it is going to come down to he said, she said.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote nyc94]I'm not taking sides with anyone but I fail to see how this is blatant racism.[/quote]

You're probably right; [Q]Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life[/Q] is really more misogyny and classism.

[nyc94]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote nyc94]I'm not taking sides with anyone but I fail to see how this is blatant racism.[/quote]

You're probably right; [Q]Whoring and raising illegitimate kids is a tough life[/Q] is really more misogyny and classism.[/quote]

Not disagreeing with that.

[Ken\'70]

http://www.wral.com/news/9343920/detail.html

She was turning tricks immediately before going to the Duke party (as prostitutes are wont to do).  Her partner at the Duke house said when first interviewed that the rape charges were a "crock".  That lasted until she figured she could pry some money out of the situation by sustaining, or at least no longer denying, the accusing hooker's lies.

And all these continued lies and sordid behavior are a complete mystery and so surprising to many here who simply can't wrap their heads around the fact that character matters (and is predictive).

Of course now the liberals will again ring down charges of racism, classism, misogyny and god knows what else for simply stating facts that annoy their own prejudiced fantasies.  And will engage their favorite pastime of ad hominem attacks when confronted with inconvenient facts.

[billhoward]

It gets more degrading all the time. According to a photo caption in the story Ken so kindly linked for us, while in court, the performance partner of the accuser ... "stuck out her tongue and made an obscene gesture at a television camera." What uncivilized people the Duke athletes had the misfortune to retain. Fortunately for those of us of a gentler disposition, the story didn't go into detail about the nature of the obscene gesture.

[Beeeej]

Interesting.  From which part of that article did you gather that she had been "turning tricks immediately before going to the Duke party"?

As much as this is the accuser's fault if the accusation is indeed false, this could perhaps all have been avoided had the police not withheld the second dancer's statement.

I wonder what race and economic background they're from?

Beeeej

[ugarte]

[quote Ken'70]Of course now the liberals will again ring down charges of racism, classism, misogyny and god knows what else for simply stating facts that annoy their own prejudiced fantasies.  And will engage their favorite pastime of ad hominem attacks when confronted with inconvenient facts.[/quote]I fail to see how you can be this obtuse.

The more recent facts that have come out indicate more and more that the accuser is lying. This would be very difficult to dispute (though pointing out that this information was in the defendants' court submission is one reason to perhaps not consider it 100% accurate) - so nobody is disputing it, though you seem to believe that other people are.

What so galled people at the beginning were your grotesque biases. What continues to gall them, is that because your wild-assed guess that the accuser was a lying prostitute (simply because she was a dancer) turned out to probably be right, you seem to believe that all of your disgusting biases are now confirmed.

Nobody should be proud if they assumed that the players were guilty but your repeated "victory laps" mark you as pretty douchey.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Beeeej]Interesting.  From which part of that article did you gather that she had been "turning tricks immediately before going to the Duke party"?[/quote]

Presumably "had a function at a hotel room with a couple where she performed using a [sexual device], which clearly could have caused signs or symptoms of vaginal penetration."  However, assuming that the redacted word is "dildo", that's certainly not what one usually means by "turning tricks".

[Ken '70]

If you're disgusted with a corrupt DA pandering to a maleable constituency by persecuting demonstrably innocent people you can write to the North Carolina Attorney General, Roy Cooper, requesting an special prosecutor.

See http://friendsofdukeuniversity.blogspot.com/ for a sample letter to use in whole or simply to get you started.
 
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/450867.html

[nyc94]

So, who watched 60 Minutes tonight?

[Chris '03]

[quote nyc94]So, who watched 60 Minutes tonight?[/quote]

Who didn't think it was incredibly one-sided?

[nyc94]

[quote Chris '03][quote nyc94]So, who watched 60 Minutes tonight?[/quote]

Who didn't think it was incredibly one-sided?[/quote]

From a strictly legal standpoint this thing is incredibly one-sided.  I can't believe they got an indictment with that lineup procedure and should those guys get convicted in Durham they'll win their appeal.

[Chris '03]

[quote nyc94][quote Chris '03][quote nyc94]So, who watched 60 Minutes tonight?[/quote]

Who didn't think it was incredibly one-sided?[/quote]

From a strictly legal standpoint this thing is incredibly one-sided.  I can't believe they got an indictment with that lineup procedure and should those guys get convicted in Durham they'll win their appeal.[/quote]

I agree completely. The whole thing reeks of a DA doing anything to get elected again. But from a journalistic point if view it would have been nice to hear the other side of the story from someone.

[nyc94]

[quote Chris '03][quote nyc94][quote Chris '03][quote nyc94]So, who watched 60 Minutes tonight?[/quote]

Who didn't think it was incredibly one-sided?[/quote]

From a strictly legal standpoint this thing is incredibly one-sided.  I can't believe they got an indictment with that lineup procedure and should those guys get convicted in Durham they'll win their appeal.[/quote]

I agree completely. The whole thing reeks of a DA doing anything to get elected again. But from a journalistic point if view it would have been nice to hear the other side of the story from someone.[/quote]

I'm guessing very few people wanted to be on the record supporting a sinking ship.

[ugarte]

Not surprisingly (in light of the DNA test results), the DA has dropped the rape charges. Surprisingly, he has the cojones to keep other charges live as the alleged victim now claims that she "can not recall if she was penetrated or not." Good luck with that prosecution, pal.

I don't know what the standards are for malicious prosecution in North Carolina but Nifong should make sure that he is adequately insured.