Reminder - Hockey Ticket Preregistration

[Liz '05]

[quote Cactus12]There are plenty of real hockey fans on Long Island too. (Just for the sake of clarity).[/quote]

Sorority girls too.

xoxo, the token sorority girl

[Liz '05]

[quote cth95]
My point isn't that the tickets aren't worth that much.  I just agree that it takes a lot more than money to define true fans.  Unfortunately, I also agree that things that will bring out better fans like longer lines or even a quiz for ticket number priority will probably never happen.

Instead of constantly complaining about "facetimers", which I don't think there are as many as some of you claim, why don't you guys try to think of ways to get them into the sport and the team without sounding too much like you are preaching to them or forcing them to think like you do?[/quote]

Agreed.  Consider that, with the exception of Ari, Dpperk (even though he's a turncoat :-}), and a handful of others, most of us were not hardcore Cornell hockey fans right away.  You have to give people the chance to become dedicated hockey fans, and it may not be an immediate transition.

Even if you're screwed out of tickets, you will find a way to attend games.  Think creatively - get a job with the ticket office, join the pep band, work on the rink staff, be a Sun reporter - or just get tickets from other people.  You have the desire to do this.  They don't yet know that they should

[DeltaOne81]

[quote krose]Can you describe to me what the single, universal standard for equitable distribution of hockey tickets (without the week-long line or general admission per game) would be?  That's an easier question than "What do you think universal 'social standards' should be, and who should choose them?", which I'd also like to ask.

The market is amoral.  That doesn't mean immoral, just amoral: it makes no moral judgments one way or the other.

Cheers,
Kyle[/quote]


The only pure approach would be a as-long-as-it-wants-to-be line. As we both know, athletics and the rest of Cornell seem to be pretty set on that not happening.

Yes, the market is amoral. Which means that immoral things can often happen. So can moral ones. Its whatever flies.

But I don't buy your apparent argument that because there's no perfect system, means we should jump to a price-based or even auction-style one. Frankly I'd prefer the current system over a pure-market one any day.

The current system has issues, its not perfect. But it ain't bad. There's a level of dedication needed - primarily in the need to know about the system in the first place and jump through all the hoops. Easy hoops sure, but hoops nonetheless. There's also enough randomness to make cheating impossible. Another major issue of past lines.


Just because there's no single ideal standard doesn't mean that I want to jump directly to the almightly dollar. I'd rather have the current system any day over one that bases it on your financial standing. Heck, I'd rather see them give them out to random students without a drawing than just do it based solely on price.

[las224]

I'm currently studying in the Statler, and couldn't help overhearing the conversation of some idiots sitting near me:

"Yo, did you guys know that the hockey line is over homecoming weekend?"
"Fuck that, I have friends coming up that weekend. I'm not standing in line."
"Yeah, I thought the whole point of the random drawing was to make it easy for everyone to get tickets so we don't have to stand in line?"

So then some equally idiotic girl walked over to them...

"Wait, hockey tickets happened already? But I really really really wanted them. I love the hockey team. And it already happened?"

God, I hate facetimers. So... what happens when half the kids who got tickets realize they have to stand in line, and that it's over homecoming weekend, and therefore don't show? Who gets those tickets? I know there's this mysterious "waitlist," but so far athletics hasn't really discussed how that's being handled or how to sign up for it.

[Rosey]

[quote DeltaOne81]Frankly I'd prefer the current system over a pure-market one any day.[/quote]
Says the former student.  I bet you'd feel differently if you were still in the student market for limited tickets, and came up short in the lottery.

Just because there's no single ideal standard doesn't mean that I want to jump directly to the almightly dollar. I'd rather have the current system any day over one that bases it on your financial standing.  Heck, I'd rather see them give them out to random students without a drawing than just do it based solely on price.

At least you're honest about the impact (rationing) of price controls.  Many here are so economically illiterate as not even to understand the most basic drawbacks of attempting to distribute tickets fairly without pricing them appropriately.

Please note that price is not limited to dollars!  I think most of us can agree that the right way to distribute tickets is either to have general admission per game or to have a ticket line that forms whenever the first student decides to show up.  (The cost here is that of time instead of money.)  That said, given the choice between the current system (random chance I'd get tickets) and a supply/demand system (100% chance I'd get tickets), I know which one I'd choose.

Cheers,
Kyle

[David Harding]

Presumably the least work for Athletics would be to declare the wait list to start with number 1052 of the preregistration list.

[Omie]

Its in the info for the new process the waitlist basically starts with the numbers right after the cutoff so 1052 is 1st in the waitlist and so forth. The same applies for the senior and grad #s

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Liz '05][quote Cactus12]There are plenty of real hockey fans on Long Island too. (Just for the sake of clarity).[/quote]

Sorority girls too.[/quote]

Plenty of sorority girls on Long Island?  I think we already knew that. :-}

xoxo, the token sorority girl

:-)

[Dpperk29]

[quote Liz '05]

Agreed.  Consider that, with the exception of Ari, Dopperk (even though he's a turncoat :-}),and a handful of others, most of us were not hardcore Cornell hockey fans right away. [/quote]

I'm not sure whether to be honored, insulted, or both... prolly honored because I am a born hockey fan and insulted because you spelled my name wrong... yeah that works... carry on.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote krose][quote DeltaOne81]Frankly I'd prefer the current system over a pure-market one any day.
Says the former student.  I bet you'd feel differently if you were still in the student market for limited tickets, and came up short in the lottery.[/quote][/quote]

I got screwed out of tickets twice (I think) in the line already (senior and grad years) because I followed the posted rules. And my gf couldn't get them the following year when she was still at Cornell. And from that I've learned that you can almost *always* get tickets, and usually around face price. Be it outside of the ticket office half an hour before games, on this board, away team alottment, friends, mailing lits, single games sales, or whereever, you can almost always get tickets - with the possible exception of the Harvard game.

Oh, and lets not forget the wait list. That's how I got tickets my freshman year when there was... wait for it... a lottery!

I guess that makes me feel not too bad about people who randomly didn't get them, because if they want to, they can be at the majority of the games anyway.

At least you're honest about the impact (rationing) of price controls.  Many here are so economically illiterate as not even to understand the most basic drawbacks of attempting to distribute tickets fairly without pricing them appropriately.

Please note that price is not limited to dollars!  I think most of us can agree that the right way to distribute tickets is either to have general admission per game or to have a ticket line that forms whenever the first student decides to show up.

Sure, I think time is the correct price as well. And I think money is exactly, completely the wrong one. I understand the tradeoffs, and personally completely reject money as being the appropriate angle.

But, even if they stumbled ass-backwards into it, I think this curret year's situation worked. They made it enough of a hassle, and uncool enough (not enough of an 'event') to put it below the radar screens/desire of those who wouldn't really care to be there.

And for those who would and didn't get tickets. Trust me, you'll be at most of the games anyway if you want to be. Legally. And you won't have to pay an arm and a leg to do.

As I said, I think athletics stumbled backwards into it, but I also think - short of GA or an unlimited line, they found something that turned out to be a darn good compromise.

[Liz '05]

[quote Dpperk29][quote Liz '05]

Agreed.  Consider that, with the exception of Ari, Dopperk (even though he's a turncoat :-}),and a handful of others, most of us were not hardcore Cornell hockey fans right away. [/quote]

I'm not sure whether to be honored, insulted, or both... prolly honored because I am a born hockey fan and insulted because you spelled my name wrong... yeah that works... carry on.[/quote]

Be honored.  My bad for being too lazy to look up the correct spelling when I had a niggling feeling that it was wrong.  Hereby edited.

[Cactus12]

Were there any major problems with the system two years ago (04-05)? It seemed to have worked descently (at least from my perspective having not gotten tickets in 03-04). I thought that last year was just poor location selection.

[redhair34]

[quote Cactus12]I thought that last year was just poor location selection.[/quote]


Not just that, but also poor date selection.  They should have distributed the numbers the first night--Saturday.  It was cold and rainy.  There were very few of us up on the athletic campus foregoing Saturday night festivities to wait for an announcement.  By the time Monday rolled along and the Sun ran a story glorifying the spectacle, it became the thing to do.

[French Rage]

[quote redhair34][quote Cactus12]I thought that last year was just poor location selection.[/quote]


Not just that, but also poor date selection.  They should have distributed the numbers the first night--Saturday.  It was cold and rainy.  There were very few of us up on the athletic campus foregoing Saturday night festivities to wait for an announcement.  By the time Monday rolled along and the Sun ran a story glorifying the spectacle, it became the thing to do.[/quote]

And from what I heard waiting 20 minutes to start distributing the numbers defeats the whole purpose of the "surprise" announcement.

[jaybert]

[quote redhair34][quote Cactus12]I thought that last year was just poor location selection.[/quote]


Not just that, but also poor date selection.  They should have distributed the numbers the first night--Saturday.  It was cold and rainy.  There were very few of us up on the athletic campus foregoing Saturday night festivities to wait for an announcement.  By the time Monday rolled along and the Sun ran a story glorifying the spectacle, it became the thing to do.[/quote]

One of the reasons why 2004-2005 was not so crazy was because the team did pooly the year before.  Lost against Clarkson @ home for the ECAC, and then didnt make the NCAAs.

Of course, 2004-2005 we won the ECAC, won a great game against OSU, and played a very tight game w/ MN.  Expectations were really high, hence so were ticket demands were very high for the 2005-2006 season.

Think about 2003-2004, where the 2002-2003 season we made it to the Frozen Four.  That year was pretty nuts for tickets as well, with the line way over 1500 even before the supposed time when athletics said you could start lining up.