Sasha Pokulok signs with the Capitals

[Liz '05]

[quote ugarte]Hockey playing brothers who aren't twins? I don't get it.[/quote]

Oh, you get it.  You've just blocked it out because Harvard's gotten a very good set recently :-P

[Trotsky]

[quote Hillel Hoffmann][quote pfibiger]Nikhola Grenier-Pokulok is playing in the LHJMQ for "PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS[/quote]
Allez les PdlESdB![/quote]

"PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS..."

"SUCKS!"

"PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS..."

"SUCKS!"

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote Trotsky][quote Hillel Hoffmann][quote pfibiger]Nikhola Grenier-Pokulok is playing in the LHJMQ for "PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS[/quote]
Allez les PdlESdB![/quote]

"PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS..."

"SUCKS!"

"PATRIOTES DE L'ÉCOLE SECONDAIRE DE BEAUHARNOIS..."

"SUCKS!"[/quote]


Allez rouge!  ::rolleyes::

[JasonN95]

[quote billhoward]It was still better to have had him two years. [/quote]

Some teams don't even get a single game out of their potential stars: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaah/news?slug=uwire-toprecruitleavesfornhlwith&prov=uwire&type=lgns

[ugarte]

[quote JasonN95]Some teams don't even get a single game out of their potential stars: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaah/news?slug=uwire-toprecruitleavesfornhlwith&prov=uwire&type=lgns[/quote]
[q]The person that is missing out on everything is Trevor Lewis. Our team is still going to be a good team[," said Michigan coach Red Berenson.][/q]

When asked for comment, Lewis responded "I'm sorry, I can't hear you through this fort of money I built around myself."

[KeithK]

So does he count as a Michigan hockey alumnus? :-)

[Rich S]

[quote billhoward]We all wish Pokoluk lived up to the advance expectations. It was still better to have had him two years. The top WCHA schools have assumed they'd have their stars for only a year or two and now some of that's trickling into the ECAC and even the Ivy League.

The key returning member of the team is the coach. Schafer's system gets an incredible run out of a couple good players and four solid lines.[/quote]

How does McKee and Pokoluk having left early square with the assertion made here  in recent years that guys leaving early happens only at "hockey factories?"


And let's be honest.  Yes, he's a very good coach and his pleyers play his system well, but Schafer has had a lot more than "a couple good players" each year for many years now.

"Ya gotta have the horses to win" and any realistic coach knows that including Fat Mike.

[ugarte]

[quote Rich S][quote billhoward]We all wish Pokoluk lived up to the advance expectations. It was still better to have had him two years. The top WCHA schools have assumed they'd have their stars for only a year or two and now some of that's trickling into the ECAC and even the Ivy League.

The key returning member of the team is the coach. Schafer's system gets an incredible run out of a couple good players and four solid lines.[/quote]

How does McKee and Pokoluk having left early square with the assertion made here  in recent years that guys leaving early happens only at "hockey factories?"[/quote]
It squares perfectly with analysis like "...now some of that's trickling into the ECAC and even the Ivy League." When we land the top recruits we hope that they will stay but don't expect it anymore. I'm sure that when Corey Maggette broke Duke's early-exit cherry the Dukies got used to it as fast as we are. (Duke sucks.)

And let's be honest.  Yes, he's a very good coach and his pleyers play his system well, but Schafer has had a lot more than "a couple good players" each year for many years now.

I think "a couple good players" understates the case a little also - maybe one or two in each class - but are you trying to argue that his teams have underperformed? Because that would be batshit crazy.

"Ya gotta have the horses to win" and any realistic coach knows that including Fat Mike.

I'll take our fatty over your run of screaming, unstable crazies any year.

[Beeeej]

[quote Rich S]How does McKee and Pokoluk having left early square with the assertion made here  in recent years that guys leaving early happens only at "hockey factories?"[/quote]

That assertion has been made here in recent years?

Beeeej

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Beeeej][quote Rich S]How does McKee and Pokoluk having left early square with the assertion made here  in recent years that guys leaving early happens only at "hockey factories?"[/quote]

That assertion has been made here in recent years?
[/quote]

In fact, it didn't use to happen at Michigan either.

[Rich S]

Players leaving early was discussed here previously.  For example, clarkson
classmates Cole and Mitchell ( he was a "goon" remember?  ::rolleyes:: ) left early a year apart.  It was criticized roundly and referred to later here as an example of what happens at a "hockey factory" like Clarkson.

But now that guys have left early at cornell, it's ok?   I'm not holding my breath waiting for any of you to refer to cornell as a "hockey factory" and it certainly isn't in my view either.  But neither is Clarkson.

In no way was I inferring that Schafer's team have underperformed.  In fact it's puzzling that you could even think that was my point.  I am simply saying that he has had more than one or two good players in any given year.  Just seeing how many guys have received post season accolades and/or have gone on to play professionally tells us that.

Please note that I didn't start the "Fat Mike" moniker.  Someone on this board endorsed it.  The name fits.  :-D

As for the sarcastic cheap shots about "the run of screaming unstable crazies" at Clarkson, you simply do not know what you're talking about.

Yes, Morris became louder and a bit contentious in his final couple of seasons, but your characterization is way off if you're trying to apply it to any other coaches at Tech going back as far as Bill Harrison (who was also a Civil Engineering prof, btw) in the 50s.

Your own Schafer has had quite a few instances where he lost it, did plenty of screaming, and came close to being "crazy."  To a great degree, it's the nature of the business so don't be so quick to jump on a guy who screams at officials often.  Remember, this is the ECAC.;-)

[Beeeej]

[quote Rich S]Players leaving early was discussed here previously.  For example, clarkson
classmates Cole and Mitchell ( he was a "goon" remember?  ::rolleyes:: ) left early a year apart.  It was criticized roundly and referred to later here as an example of what happens at a "hockey factory" like Clarkson.[/quote]

Really?  I honestly don't remember that.

Should be easy enough for you to find, though.  Please let me know when you do.

Beeeej

[RichH]

[quote Beeeej][quote Rich S]Players leaving early was discussed here previously.  For example, clarkson
classmates Cole and Mitchell ( he was a "goon" remember?  ::rolleyes:: ) left early a year apart.  It was criticized roundly and referred to later here as an example of what happens at a "hockey factory" like Clarkson.[/quote]

Really?  I honestly don't remember that.

Should be easy enough for you to find, though.  Please let me know when you do.

Beeeej[/quote]

C'mon Beeeej...Rich is just practicing for a political and/or punditry future.  If he keeps makes sweeping statements without any proof or evidence in accordance with what he *wants* to be the truth, after a while they just *become* true.

Nevermind that most here know that Joe Nieuwendyk, Kent Manderville, Dan Ratushny, Jean-Marc Pelletier, and David LeNeveu are some examples of other Cornellians who have turned pro early.  But apparently McKee and Pokulok were the first, if we just repeat that fact to fit an argument.

But that's right...I forgot that when anybody here thinks of the term "hockey factory," Clarkson of all schools is one of the first that springs to mind.  Remember...Clarkson is a "hockey factory."  Clarkson is a "hockey factory."  Clarkson is a "hockey factory."  There, The Truth has been achieved.  :-)

Also...George Roll never ran onto the ice during play and certainly never threw an object such as...I don't know...a clipboard onto the ice during play.  So we're way off base making any Clarkson coaching comments.

[Josh '99]

[quote RichH]Remember...Clarkson is a "hockey factory."  Clarkson is a "hockey factory."  Clarkson is a "hockey factory."[/quote]Is that why they've won so many national championships?

[Liz '05]

[quote Beeeej][quote Rich S]How does McKee and Pokoluk having left early square with the assertion made here  in recent years that guys leaving early happens only at "hockey factories?"[/quote]

That assertion has been made here in recent years?

Beeeej[/quote]

I meant to respond to RichS this afternoon but didn't have the time.  I'm not sure what Rich means by "recent years" but in the time I've read this board (approx. the past three years) but, like Beeeej, I don't recall anyone making that assertion.  I remember mostly people discussing that while it's a shame that we lose players early semi-regularly now, it's the cost of becoming a school that can get the good players.  I very much doubt that the assertion he mentioned was given any credence, if it existed.

I don't consider Cornell (or Clarkson, or any ECAC school, for that matter) to be a "hockey factory."  Maybe one of those Minnesota high schools...that's about it.  I'd hope that the fact that McKee and Pokulok left early means that professional scouts are paying attention to our team and our recruits, and that it in turn brings in better recruits, giving us a better shot at the national title.  Plus, it means I have a reason to watch the NHL now  I'm just waiting for some Cornell player to visit Pensacola so I have a reason to cheer at the Ice Pilots games...Dustin Traylen isn't enough!