Cornell-Wisconsin postgame thread (post-season thread?) NCAA quarterfinals 2006

[Trotsky]

Short game reports up on my blog: http://gregberge.blogspot.com/

It was about the best way for the seniors to go out, short of the trophy.

[Dafatone]

My biggest concern next year is losing the defense that some of our senior forwards, especially Chris Abbott and Pegs, provide.  It'll be important to see if players like Mugford and Sawada can step up and fill this void, and how much defense we have in the forwards of the incoming class.

I'm also worried about defensemen, but if all we lose is Gleed, we should be alright, though by the end of this year he was consistently terrific.

[fullofgas]

It seems silly to me (and kinda ludicrous) that guys like O'Byrne and Pokoluk are considering leaving early when truly great players like Baby and Murray stayed through their senior years.  
If our group stays together and the new recruits live up to expectations, I believe we will be an improved team from this year's uneven (yet in the end impressive) campaign.

[Trotsky]

[quote DeltaOne81]And sure, we'll miss the Abbotts and Pegararo and Gleed, but they don't seem irreplaceable, if someone else can just step up into those rolls.[/quote]

The ECAC Final showed us how badly we might miss Chris, if there is nobody to take that role.

The last time I remember such a huge influx of talent at forward was Fall 98, when we brought in Ladouceur, Kozier, Wieckowski, Francis.  Prior to that was Fall 93, with Auger, Papp, Bergin, Weber, and Cooney (a giant 9-man class that also included the Wilson non-brothers, Kendall, and Zubkus.

Each of those classes, weirdly enough, produced a net increase in goal scoring in their freshman years: http://www.tbrw.info/cornellHistory/cornellOBargraph.html

[KeithK]

[quote Dafatone]My biggest concern next year is losing the defense that some of our senior forwards, especially Chris Abbott and Pegs, provide.  It'll be important to see if players like Mugford and Sawada can step up and fill this void, and how much defense we have in the forwards of the incoming class.[/quote]I'm not really that concerned about this.  Schafer has done a good job getting players to play good two way hockey. I fully expect the younger forwards to be able to step into these roles as needed.

[calgARI '07]

[quote Tub(a)][quote nyc94][quote ithacat][quote Hayek]Anyone know the link to where the eBadger forum is?[/quote]

Be warned: there are some less than flattering comments made regarding Cornell fans. For the most part respect leads to respect. Remember, every board has its ::nut:: (lordy, let that not be me...)

http://mb28.scout.com/fwisconsin36703frm6[/quote]

I kind of agree with them that "red line, idiot" isn't as meaningful if the player intentionally ices the puck - unless they could have easily crossed the line.[/quote]

How often is an icing a mistake worth calling someone an idiot for? Really. 99% of the time they know they are icing and they are doing it for strategic reasons.

In fact, this was one of the differences in the Wisconsin/Cornell game. Wisconsin was winning faceoffs so with any pressure in their zone they just whipped the puck down the ice to get a fresh set of legs and a second chance in their zone. Cornell tried to carry or pass it out and the result was a huge tip towards Wisconsin in offensive zone possession.[/quote]

The majority of icings come as a result of missed passes and stupid dump-ins.  The red line idiot cheer is just as stupid as telling a goalie it's all his fault and sieve, etc.  when he gets scored on when his players leave him out to dry.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote calgARI '07]
The majority of icings come as a result of missed passes and stupid dump-ins.  The red line idiot cheer is just as stupid as telling a goalie it's all his fault and sieve, etc.  when he gets scored on when his players leave him out to dry.[/quote]

Ari's gotcha there. An icing is more likely to be a mistake than a goal is to be all the goalie's fault.

Perhaps more importantly, its the first original cheer we've had in quite a while, and doesn't involve the word 'suck'. It may not be perfect, but I applaud the move. How 'bout some more?

[Tub(a)]

[quote DeltaOne81][quote calgARI '07]
The majority of icings come as a result of missed passes and stupid dump-ins.  The red line idiot cheer is just as stupid as telling a goalie it's all his fault and sieve, etc.  when he gets scored on when his players leave him out to dry.[/quote]

Ari's gotcha there. An icing is more likely to be a mistake than a goal is to be all the goalie's fault.

Perhaps more importantly, its the first original cheer we've had in quite a while, and doesn't involve the word 'suck'. It may not be perfect, but I applaud the move. How 'bout some more? [/quote]

There is the occassional missed pass, but that isn't that equally the fault of the player ahead of the red line? A large amount of icings are intentional, and many that "Red Line, Idiot" was used on in the Wisconsin game were perfectly understandable.

I agree with coming up with new cheers, but it's also important to recognize when some don't work. I guess it makes sense to say "Red Line, Idiot" once (not 4 or 5 times in a row) for the 1 or 2 times in a game where it is a mistake, but certainly not to repeat it ad nauseum for obviously intentional icings.

[Liz '05]

I liked "W Icing S C O N S Icing N." Not that it was yelled, or anything, but it amused me

[canuck89]

THANK YOU!!!  Finally some support for the retirement of the "Red Line, Idiot" cheer.  What was said above I also agree with.  Ari has a point with the "Sieve" and "It's all your fault" but the bottom line is that those cheers work.  The icing one does not.  I would settle for 1-2 times but not EVERY single icing call.  That is ridiculous and makes us look like we have nothing else to cheer about.  I commend you (Ari) or whoever came up with the cheer, but we let the faithful decide during the games and the response was not very enthusiastic.  Let's come up with some new ones, and not forget LGR either.

*It should be noted that "Kill Red, Kill" was working pretty well by the end of the season.  I'd like to see that return next year.

[KeithK]

I don't think there's anything stupid* about rubbing a goal in the opoosing goalies face.  It makes sense* because a goal is a big deal.  Icing is much less so.

* Well, insofar as any of this is sensible. :-D

[Beeeej]

[quote RichH][quote sockralex][quote RichH]
Thanks for that link, since someone over there has put up a video clip of the SportsCenter coverage.[/quote]

I can't find it.  Granted I haven't searched through it very thoroughly.  Can you please post the sports center clip link?[/quote]

http://mywebspace.wisc.edu/jrosenkrantz/web/Sportscenter%20Men-women%20hockey%20highlightssmalledit.mpg

It's also been posted on the USCHO forum.  Who knows if this guy has a bandwidth limit.  It's about 9.5 Mb.[/quote]

Doesn't seem to be at the Wisconsin URL anymore; any idea where else it might be found?

Beeeej

[Josh '99]

[quote canuck89]THANK YOU!!!  Finally some support for the retirement of the "Red Line, Idiot" cheer.  What was said above I also agree with.  Ari has a point with the "Sieve" and "It's all your fault" but the bottom line is that those cheers work.  The icing one does not.  I would settle for 1-2 times but not EVERY single icing call.  That is ridiculous and makes us look like we have nothing else to cheer about.  I commend you (Ari) or whoever came up with the cheer, but we let the faithful decide during the games and the response was not very enthusiastic.  Let's come up with some new ones, and not forget LGR either.

*It should be noted that "Kill Red, Kill" was working pretty well by the end of the season.  I'd like to see that return next year.[/quote]I personally agree with you about the "Red Line, Idiot" cheer, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "worked" or "didn't work."  I have to figure that the only objective measure for whether a cheer works is if people cheer it, and by that standard, it would seem that "Red Line, Idiot" works.

(On the other hand, I like the slow "Sieve" cheer we were doing in Section A during the Dartmouth and Harvard games, but I'm not sure I'd say enough people were doing it to say it worked.)

[Lauren '06]

[quote jmh30][quote canuck89]THANK YOU!!!  Finally some support for the retirement of the "Red Line, Idiot" cheer.  What was said above I also agree with.  Ari has a point with the "Sieve" and "It's all your fault" but the bottom line is that those cheers work.  The icing one does not.  I would settle for 1-2 times but not EVERY single icing call.  That is ridiculous and makes us look like we have nothing else to cheer about.  I commend you (Ari) or whoever came up with the cheer, but we let the faithful decide during the games and the response was not very enthusiastic.  Let's come up with some new ones, and not forget LGR either.

*It should be noted that "Kill Red, Kill" was working pretty well by the end of the season.  I'd like to see that return next year.[/quote]I personally agree with you about the "Red Line, Idiot" cheer, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "worked" or "didn't work."  I have to figure that the only objective measure for whether a cheer works is if people cheer it, and by that standard, it would seem that "Red Line, Idiot" works.

(On the other hand, I like the slow "Sieve" cheer we were doing in Section A during the Dartmouth and Harvard games, but I'm not sure I'd say enough people were doing it to say it worked.)[/quote]
Personally I give the slow "sieve" from that particular weekend a big thumbs down in terms of execution.  I think it should be said differently. "SIEVE!" loudly and punctuated(ly), two-beat pause, "SIEVE!" two-beat pause again, etc.  Not that odd drawling thing that I remember hearing.  I guess the long drawling thing might be more irritating to a goaltender, but it also sounds very... I don't know... NHL-fans-ish.

[David Harding]

[quote Beeeej][quote RichH][quote sockralex][quote RichH]
Thanks for that link, since someone over there has put up a video clip of the SportsCenter coverage.[/quote]

I can't find it.  Granted I haven't searched through it very thoroughly.  Can you please post the sports center clip link?[/quote]

http://mywebspace.wisc.edu/jrosenkrantz/web/Sportscenter%20Men-women%20hockey%20highlightssmalledit.mpg

It's also been posted on the USCHO forum.  Who knows if this guy has a bandwidth limit.  It's about 9.5 Mb.[/quote]

Doesn't seem to be at the Wisconsin URL anymore; any idea where else it might be found?

Beeeej[/quote]Maybe somewhere off-shore with less respect for copyright laws?;-)