ECAC first round playoffs - likely winners

[billhoward]

Changed predictions, anyone, after Friday's games?

 9 Princeton       at 8 Clarkson      Clarkson 2-1
10 Quinnipiac      at 7 Rensselaer    Fighting Deerticks, 2-1
11 Yale            at 6 Union         Yale 2-1 OT
12 Brown           at 5 St. Lawrence  St. Lawrence 3-2 OT

Princeton outshot Clarkson, 24-19. This one's going three games. Clarkson managed to serve 23 minutes of penalties on just six calls. Would it be easier just to fit the team with green and yellow ankle bracelets? 1,283 fans showed up. Way to support your team. (Okay, it's spring break. What would attendance be at Lynah over spring break -- 3,835?)

Union outshot Yale 41-31 and still found a way to lose. Yale got the winner 9:21 into overtime. Union must have the worst playoff record of any team never to make the SI cover. Attendance 1375.

Could it be that no Albany teams make it to Albany? Quinnipiac got 2 in the first. RPI scored in the third. This is the team that shut out Cornell? Attendance 2101.

For Brown, Adam D'Alba made 51 saves in the 3-2 OT loss to top-seeded (among the eight playing this wekend) St. Lawrence. No way will magic strike twice in the next two nights and allow Brown to advance. Had Brown won Friday, maybe they could have gotten lucky tonight or tomorrow. Warm up the bus. (As if in Canton you'd ever want to turn off a diesel engine in winter.) Attendance, 2322

[jy3]

i think this will happen 2nite:
clarkson wins
Q wins
onion wins
slu(t) wins

[Rich S]

[quote billhoward]Changed predictions, anyone, after Friday's games?

 9 Princeton       at 8 Clarkson      Clarkson 2-1
10 Quinnipiac      at 7 Rensselaer    Fighting Deerticks, 2-1
11 Yale            at 6 Union         Yale 2-1 OT
12 Brown           at 5 St. Lawrence  St. Lawrence 3-2 OT

Princeton outshot Clarkson, 24-19. This one's going three games. Clarkson managed to serve 23 minutes of penalties on just six calls. Would it be easier just to fit the team with green and yellow ankle bracelets? 1,283 fans showed up. Way to support your team. (Okay, it's spring break. What would attendance be at Lynah over spring break -- 3,835?)

[/quote]

Ok, give it a rest.  lol...

Both student and town population are much larger in Ithaca than in Potsdam.  Sounds like all the "extra" pen mins came when Weller had the book thrown at him.

[billhoward]

[quote Rich S][quote billhoward]Changed predictions, anyone, after Friday's games?

 9 Princeton       at 8 Clarkson      Clarkson 2-1
10 Quinnipiac      at 7 Rensselaer    Fighting Deerticks, 2-1
11 Yale            at 6 Union         Yale 2-1 OT
12 Brown           at 5 St. Lawrence  St. Lawrence 3-2 OT

Princeton outshot Clarkson, 24-19. This one's going three games. Clarkson managed to serve 23 minutes of penalties on just six calls. Would it be easier just to fit the team with green and yellow ankle bracelets? 1,283 fans showed up. Way to support your team. (Okay, it's spring break. What would attendance be at Lynah over spring break -- 3,835?)
[/quote]
Ok, give it a rest.  lol... Both student and town population are much larger in Ithaca than in Potsdam.  Sounds like all the "extra" [sic] pen mins came when Weller had the book thrown at him.[/quote]
Did they give Weller crayons to fill it in? Is this the same Weller of soldering iron fame and fortune?

(Rich, I checked the Clarkson academic calendar (and I won't say anything about oxymorons) to see if it was spring break, which it was, before dinging town and gown for the low attendance. At least we gave you that.)

[Drew]

[quote billhoward]


Did they give Weller crayons to fill it in? Is this the same Weller of soldering iron fame and fortune? [/quote]

Yeah, earning a blue collar living and making sure your kid is the first in the family to graduate college...  that is something to be ashamed of...what a jerk for chasing the American dream.

Real poor form....bill

[Jim Hyla]

Bill,
I think you are going overboard (just my opinion :-) ) and I agree with the CLK posters on this one. Both SLU and CLK were playing at home, and the population without students just can't fill both rinks. If you look back at some of the ECAC championships at LP, when one or another team was there, mainly when CLK was there, the support was great. In fact I used to enjoy it when we and CLK were at the tourney, both bands and good support (ours was better, of course :-P )

I give the NC a lot of credit, small population base supporting two good teams.

[billhoward]

Indeed, they're doing a good job supporting two teams with a population even smaller than Ithaca's. I did check and note the spring break as a factor before ribbing Clarkson about drawing just over a thousand fans. That was due diligence.

As for recognizing someone who's a first-generation college student from a blue-collar background, it would be unfair to say he didn't know to use the salad fork or didn't have a $500 Brooks Brothers blazer. (I don't think I owned a non-poly blazer before graduation.) Blue collar, open collar, gold collar family, you should probably be cognizant of what's going to get called as a penalty.

Like I said before, it's great if our upstate neighbors do well because it benefits all of NYS hockey.

[Rich S]

(Rich, I checked the Clarkson academic calendar (and I won't say anything about oxymorons) to see if it was spring break, which it was, before dinging town and gown for the low attendance. At least we gave you that.)[/quote]

Yes Bill, we noted that you acknowledged that it was Spring Break but  you then mused that Lynah would still be packed if it were break time at cornell.  So you still took a cheap shot.

Not quite as cheap as the one you took at Weller.

You might want to note that Tech's Dave Taylor was the first male in his extended family NOT to work in the mines of Northern Ontario.  Ever think that's where his superior work ethic came from?

[jy3]

[quote Drew][quote billhoward]


Did they give Weller crayons to fill it in? Is this the same Weller of soldering iron fame and fortune? [/quote]

Yeah, earning a blue collar living and making sure your kid is the first in the family to graduate college...  that is something to be ashamed of...what a jerk for chasing the American dream.

Real poor form....bill[/quote]

yeah especially since some of us are the first to go to college in their family and then do other things. boy am I ashamed my dad worked overtime to get us thru tough times in the 80s and continued to work on the line at GM creating the opportunity for me to go to cornell.

just like all teams have classless fans, all fans have classless members...

[KeithK]

[q](Okay, it's spring break. What would attendance be at Lynah over spring break -- 3,835?)[/q]I'll ignore your other comments, Bill, and just say that if Cornell had a first round playoff game during Spring Break I'd be surprised if it did sell out.  There tends to be less interest from non-diehard fans for a team lower in the standings.  If Cornell were out of the NCAA picture and in 6th place I bet a lot of folks would just take off for break (if it were SB time).

[DeltaOne81]

[quote KeithK]I'll ignore your other comments, Bill, and just say that if Cornell had a first round playoff game during Spring Break I'd be surprised if it did sell out.[/quote]

The Cornell home series in 2003 was on the first weekend of spring break.

Attendance: 3836, 3836

Now, that wasn't a 'first round' series. And I think the "out of the NCAAs and in 6th place" combined with that would definitely had made a difference - afterall, 2003 was a heck of a season.

But Cornell did indeed sell out two games on the first weekend of spring break, so we deserve credit for that much at least . And I'm proud to say I stayed a few days later for those games (and enjoyed the ones a week later very much too ).

[Rosey]

[quote DeltaOne81]Attendance: 3836, 3836[/quote]
I'm sure it was sold out, as were all games that year.  That's not the question that was asked, and calling tickets sold "attendance" is very misleading.

Surely for any given game there are at least (say) 25 people who can't make the game at the last minute, right?  I disbelieve that attendance is ever exactly 3836, though it is often greater when people sneak in.

Kyle

[DeltaOne81]

[quote krose]I'm sure it was sold out, as were all games that year.  That's not the question that was asked, and calling tickets sold "attendance" is very misleading.[/quote]

I agree, but Keith said "if Cornell had a first round playoff game during Spring Break I'd be surprised if it did sell out." So, color him surprised, huh? Unless he really meant "1st round" with an inherent prerequesite of us not being in the top 4, but since that was mentioned separately, it took it separately.

This isn't to say that I am at all criticizing the NC schools for their attendance this weekend. Distinctly smaller schools and towns, not teams with national at large aspirations really (except maybe SLU but they've mostly lost that by now). I completely understand and also think Bill was wrong.

It also isn't to say that "sold out" means "every seat full".

Its merely to contradict that comment that Cornell wouldn't sell out spring break weekend games either. They could and have.

[billhoward]

[quote KeithK][q](Okay, it's spring break. What would attendance be at Lynah over spring break -- 3,835?)[/q]I'll ignore your other comments, Bill, and just say that if Cornell had a first round playoff game during Spring Break I'd be surprised if it did sell out.  There tends to be less interest from non-diehard fans for a team lower in the standings.  If Cornell were out of the NCAA picture and in 6th place I bet a lot of folks would just take off for break (if it were SB time).[/quote]
Over Thanksgiving breaks and winter breaks, exhibitions and regular season, Cornell sells out most every game. I don't recall if Cornell has bumped up against spring break in any of its playoff series of the past five years, but if it has, the rink was full.
[quote From Cornell sports information]
The last time the Big Red did not sell out Lynah Rink was Nov. 2, 2001 against Alabama-Huntsville. The building was not exactly empty that night, however, as the attendance was 3,800, or 36 fans short of capacity. [/quote]
Cornell is bigger than Clarkstown or St. Lawrenceville, but it's not a booming metro area. It helps that you can drive to the game from Rochester or even New York city, soemthing our far-upstate colleagues can't do. Also, all the off-campus housing in Ithaca means it's easier to find a place to stay even if you're in a dorm that's closed. But a lot of the credit should go to the student, faculty, alumni, and townspeople fans who make it a point to get the rink. Cornell is the 1927 Yankees of hockey fandom.

[billhoward]

[quote DeltaOne81]It also isn't to say that "sold out" means "every seat full".[/quote]
On that, you have an excellent point. It would be good to know seats-in-the-building attendance and not just tickets-reported-sold attendance. Teams probably don't do it because they don't see any good coming from it -- for beat writers looking for a soft-news-day column, "Declining Attendance at the Sold-Out Arena" just about writes itself. Pro teams and major colleges that scan each ticket on the way in know attendance instantly. (Plus, if Cornell ever scanned tickets, it might be able to crack down on eBay resales if the seller reported the section/row of the ticket's location. Is that a good or bad idea?)

Was anybody else disappointed to see how many empty seats there were at the Olymics, and not just for the prelim events?

Hollywood Inc. is so nervous about looking good at the Oscars that it has seat-warmers who come in for the ten minutes when Angelie Jolie steps out to powder her nose.