Cornell 1 Clarkson 3

[CowbellGuy]

I don't remember seeing any mention of cursing in the NCAA rulebook. Playing instrumkents during play is a violation. Throwing stuff on the ice is a violation. We do it once, get warned and get penalized if it happens again. Colgate throws gum  over and over throughout the game and doesn't get called. Clarkson's band plays during play over and over and nothing is done. It's hardly the same thing.

[Tub(a)]

[quote CowbellGuy]I don't remember seeing any mention of cursing in the NCAA rulebook. Playing instrumkents during play is a violation. Throwing stuff on the ice is a violation. We do it once, get warned and get penalized if it happens again. Colgate throws gum  over and over throughout the game and doesn't get called. Clarkson's band plays during play over and over and nothing is done. It's hardly the same thing.[/quote]

It's really just sad that they need to resort to artificial noisemakers to get their crowd excited.

[marty]

And Onion has been hit with penalties for throwing oranges at the RIP players.  This past Friday we were searched on the way into the Onion rink and the only oranges that flew were thrown after the game had concluded favorably for Onion.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote daredevilcu][Q]The CLK band was something else. When did they get the ability to play during the play of the game. I'm not talkig about just finishing a song when play resumes, but starting up during play. It was mainly the drums, but still. I went over to ask them, and tell them; their response was "this is our arena and we make the rules". Well I guess we have to see what the league says about that. Anybody know who to contact? [/Q]
It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, and something we always get away with at home, but rarely anywhere else.  If you were the guy that came to talk to our quad player, I remember you (I was one of the tubas standing right next to him).  He had no authority to respond to you at all.  What you should have done, rather than coming to a player who only knows what we've always done, is gone to either the band director or the arena director.  I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but it's just what we do...  Lynah has it's traditions, Cheel has different ones.  Would you be bitter about it if Cornell won?  I'd wager no... I didn't hear any complaining last year when you shut us out at home...[/quote]Yeah, I would complain about it even if we were ahead (after all when I did complain I certainly didn't know you had won, did you?::rolleyes:. As Age and others have pointed out, we know the penalty of going past the limit. We have been penalized when something has been thrown on the ice during the play. In fact our fish throwing was a major incident back when a certain Harvard goalie was in the ECAC. We actually try very hard to police ourselves, something that you might have noted as a discussion on this forum.


What we want is equal treatment. Colgate throws gum on the ice before, during, and after the game and nothing happens. You guys play throughout the game and nothing happens. To say "I'm sorry you didn't like it but it's just what we do.." seems kind of shallow. I'd rather you just admit, as you sort of did, that you get away with it, it's illegal, but you'll do it till you get called about it.

The situation brings back a memory of referee Pierre Belanger (sp?, I don't feel like going back through my stuff to find his spelling) once at Clk. When the band was going over the top, he skated right up to the glass where they were, this was at Walker, and said something to stop it. He was very annimated, as always, and if I remember correctly (fond memories get embellished) slamed up against the glass.

We do alot of strong things to support the team, both home and away. However, although we do have some jerks who would rather call attention to themselves than be supportive, we try and stay legal. In fact every time when the band stops playing our cheer to start the third period (because the play has started), but the fans keep singing and clapping till it's done, I beam inside. The only thing better is when play stops quickly and without missing a beat, the band picks right up. Keep it up guys, doing it correctly, and doing it well let's you go home with your head up , even in a loss.:-)

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Rich S]Speaking of traditions and rules violations, etc, it's interesting that a cornell fan visiting at Cheel would complain about the band.  Were there any other complaints about how the cornell fans were treated?[/quote]

Did you not read Age's lovely worded complaint about someone putting some short of shit all over cars with Cornell stickers on them?

Don't play the angel on behalf of your fans either.

I'd rather have mean words said to me than come back to shit on my car. I would know cause I've had that experience (not at a sporting event).

[jtwcornell91]

[quote ugarte][quote jtwcornell91] cronically [/quote]chronically - Don't worry, officer, we have a special cell block for the men in blue[/quote]

Heh.  That actually was a typo; I know how the word is spelled, cron jobs notwithstanding.

[daredevilcu]

Fair enough, Jim.  You have a good point that you did complain long before the game was over.

[Q]I'd rather you just admit, as you sort of did, that you get away with it, it's illegal, but you'll do it till you get called about it.[/Q]

Um... all right, but I figured that went without saying.  I'm a junior, I can only remember getting warned once at Cheel for the drums, so we didn't use them.  Just as you guys "take your warning" and then don't throw anything else on the ice, we will play until we "take our warning" and then stop.  There are specific regulations on decibel levels for what can be played during play, I believe.  I haven't ever looked it up.

If your drummers (just your drummers) played during play and during your "Let's Go Red" chants, two things would probably happen.  One, your cheer would have better rhythm, which I saw a lot of people complaining about a few threads down, and two, you'd probably get away with it at home, but nowhere else, provided the referee can tell which band is playing.  When we're at Lynah, Appleton, Houston, Starr, or Achilles, we very rarely play anything during play because we know we can't get away with it there.

With regard to CowbellGuy's comment about the cars -- I'm sorry that some idiot did something like that.  I hope you don't think it's representative of all Clarkson fans, because it most certainly isn't.  Don't let it deter you from coming back next year... games are more fun with opposing fans to cheer against.

[CowbellGuy]

I'm certain it's not indicative of most fans up here. This is 9th straight year I've been up here and haven't experienced anything like it anywhere else (aside from the year Colgate students sat out in front of their dorms pelting Cornell cars with random crap as they left the campus). If anything, I'd have expected it from the monkeys at Colgate first. In my experience the NC folk tend to be quite civil once the game is over, but what happened last night did happen, and clearly premeditated.

[octopusguy]

marte and Rich S, I don't know how many indians games you've been to, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  yes he does play before and after every pitch, mostly to get the crowd going but he has never once played his drum during play.  he will stop before every wind-up, with never a mistake.

[Rich S]

No idea??  I do know what I'm talking about.

I've seen many televised Yankee games from the Jake and am familiar with his routine.  I never said nor implied that he played during play.

[Rich S]

Yes I read it and his "lovely worded" comments were anything but.

That said, I do not condone that kind of behavior anywhere!  Whatever gave you the idea that I played "angel " for the Tech fans?  about and witnessed a few fans at Cheel going over the top.

FYI, I have heard of the sort of thing that Age described being done at other college venues but happily, I have not personally experienced it.

Hopefully you acknowledge that some of your Lynah fans are far from angels as well.  Angels don't spew profanities at opposing fans or throw things at them like I've seen and heard there.

Fair enough?

[Rich S]

Jim, etal

Perhaps complaints should be directed to Steve Hagwell if any arena is lax enforcing the rules or in maintaining a safe environment for visiting fans.
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Just a though.

[David Harding]

2006 NCAA MEN'S AND WOMEN'S ICE HOCKEY RULES AND INTERPRETATIONS[q] Interference by Spectators
SECTION 30. a. In the event that objects that interfere with the progress of the game are thrown onto the ice, the official shall blow the whistle and stop the play; and the puck shall be faced off at the spot where play is stopped.
Fans are not permitted to throw objects on the ice. At the discretion of the referee, a warning may be issued before the game.
b. Spectators are not permitted to use artificial noisemakers, air horns or electronic amplifiers while the game is in progress.
c. The band(s) shall not be allowed to play while the game is in progress.
PENALTIES: a. through c. Warning or bench minor against offending fans' team for delay of game.
It is the referee's discretion, depending on the severity of the action, whether or not a warning is necessary.
Note: Conferences or the proper disciplinary authority are encouraged to develop policies in this area if necessary. [/q][q]Crowd-Control Statement
The NCAA Men?s and Women?s Ice Hockey Rules Committee recommends that all member institutions that host intercollegiate ice hockey read the following statement before each game:
"The (name of college or university) and the NCAA Men's and Women's Ice Hockey Rules Committee promote good sportsmanship by student athletes, coaches and spectators. We request your cooperation by supporting the participants and officials in a positive manner. Profanity, racial or sexist comments, or other intimidating actions directed at officials, student athletes, coaches or team representatives shall not be tolerated and are grounds for removal from the site and, if needed, additional disciplinary action."
[/q] ::nut::

[DeltaOne81]

[quote Rich S]Yes I read it and his "lovely worded" comments were anything but.[/quote]

Wow, Rich. I'm starting to think you're less of a jerk and more just completely confused by sarcasm. I know sarcasm doesn't come through easily online, but I'm pretty sure my phrase "lovely worded" was clearly sarcastic.

I'll try to remember your handicap in the future, before I automatically assume you're just being an ass. I suppose that explains most of your problems with this board. There's a ton of sarcasm on here, and if you don't get that, well, I see how it would be easy to take everything more worse.

That said, I do not condone that kind of behavior anywhere!

...

Hopefully you acknowledge that some of your Lynah fans are far from angels as well.  Angels don't spew profanities at opposing fans or throw things at them like I've seen and heard there.

Fair enough?

Most certainly. Never claimed Lynah fans are angels. And I wouldn't want them to be . But I certainly conceed the point that some people at Lynah to go far and take it past normal support/ribbing the opponents, and have said so on here (i.e. that stupid, inappropriate phone number chant).

So I agree, fair enough.

[Rich S]

Delta,
I don't normally miss sarcasm, really.  In this case, I think it's
you that missed it.  My comments on the "lovely worded" ones were dripping with it.

But I won't call you "an ass" for not getting it, like you called me, ok? ::rolleyes::

Fair enough? :-D