Cornell 1 Clarkson 3

[Jim Hyla]

Well, I didn't see the PU game, but from listening to that (and reading after) and watching this I'd say this was no PU. I think we controlled them territorially but not as far as chances, and good chances. That's not to say we didn't have good chances, Abbott's  for sure, but overall not as many as we should have had. But you have to give some credit to their D and goalie when needed. PP was awful!!! We passed alot but never got good slapshots and couldn't work it in low enough.

I don't think McKee was pulled because of his play, rather as has been said "try playing in front of this goalie". I'm not that surprised, we have been playing at the level of the compitition for some time, and we don't play as well away. Something at home seems to work. I guess that's not so different from the teams we are playing this weekend. Their losing streaks were all away games. I thought an interesting stat was that the only game either SLU or CLK has won in the last 6 games was at home against the other team.

The CLK band was something else. When did they get the ability to play during the play of the game. I'm not talkig about just finishing a song when play resumes, but starting up during play. It was mainly the drums, but still. I went over to ask them, and tell them; their response was "this is our arena and we make the rules". Well I guess we have to see what the league says about that. Anybody know who to contact?

Well the bed is calling, so good night.

[Doug '08]

Does anyone have any more information as to what happened with McKee?

[daredevilcu]

[Q]The CLK band was something else. When did they get the ability to play during the play of the game. I'm not talkig about just finishing a song when play resumes, but starting up during play. It was mainly the drums, but still. I went over to ask them, and tell them; their response was "this is our arena and we make the rules". Well I guess we have to see what the league says about that. Anybody know who to contact? [/Q]

It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, and something we always get away with at home, but rarely anywhere else.  If you were the guy that came to talk to our quad player, I remember you (I was one of the tubas standing right next to him).  He had no authority to respond to you at all.  What you should have done, rather than coming to a player who only knows what we've always done, is gone to either the band director or the arena director.  I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but it's just what we do...  Lynah has it's traditions, Cheel has different ones.  Would you be bitter about it if Cornell won?  I'd wager no... I didn't hear any complaining last year when you shut us out at home...

[Tub(a)]

[quote daredevilcu][Q]The CLK band was something else. When did they get the ability to play during the play of the game. I'm not talkig about just finishing a song when play resumes, but starting up during play. It was mainly the drums, but still. I went over to ask them, and tell them; their response was "this is our arena and we make the rules". Well I guess we have to see what the league says about that. Anybody know who to contact? [/Q]

It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, and something we always get away with at home, but rarely anywhere else.  If you were the guy that came to talk to our quad player, I remember you (I was one of the tubas standing right next to him).  He had no authority to respond to you at all.  What you should have done, rather than coming to a player who only knows what we've always done, is gone to either the band director or the arena director.  I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but it's just what we do...  Lynah has it's traditions, Cheel has different ones.  Would you be bitter about it if Cornell won?  I'd wager no... I didn't hear any complaining last year when you shut us out at home...[/quote]

The Lynah "traditions" don't directly violate NCAA rules regarding musical instruments during play.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Tub(a)][quote daredevilcu][Q]The CLK band was something else. When did they get the ability to play during the play of the game. I'm not talkig about just finishing a song when play resumes, but starting up during play. It was mainly the drums, but still. I went over to ask them, and tell them; their response was "this is our arena and we make the rules". Well I guess we have to see what the league says about that. Anybody know who to contact? [/Q]

It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, and something we always get away with at home, but rarely anywhere else.  If you were the guy that came to talk to our quad player, I remember you (I was one of the tubas standing right next to him).  He had no authority to respond to you at all.  What you should have done, rather than coming to a player who only knows what we've always done, is gone to either the band director or the arena director.  I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but it's just what we do...  Lynah has it's traditions, Cheel has different ones.  Would you be bitter about it if Cornell won?  I'd wager no... I didn't hear any complaining last year when you shut us out at home...[/quote]

The Lynah "traditions" don't directly violate NCAA rules regarding musical instruments during play.[/quote]

Although they do violate rules about throwing things on the ice.

Clarkson's and Colgate's bands have been cronically guilty of playing drums during play.  This is annoying whether the teams win or lose.  I'm inclined to overlook one instance of this, which is Clarkson's post-goal ritual, which goes on for a long time and includes a drum cadence pretty late in the process.  But just randomly beating out a "Let's Go Tech" or "Let's Go Gate" while the puck is against rules that Cornell's band makes a point of obeying.

[marty]

[quote daredevilcu]
It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, ..[/quote]

It is a blatant violation of rules that were instituted because those other institutional dopes at RIP were handing out noise makers at their (come and fill the building once a year - tonight 2/11/06 for example) Big Red Freakout(s).

I agree that all crowds can smell a might fishy at times with their traditions, but if CCT makes it to Albany we all know that they won't be beating the tom-toms during play.

Your atmosphere reminds me of what that jerk ::dribble:: at the Cleveland Indian games accomplishes.

[Rich S]

Doesn't the referee have the authority to have the PA announcer issue a warning that if that sort of violation continues, if indeed it is one, a minor penalty will be called?  They certainly do in basketball and I recall penalties being called at Princeton when fans threw oranges on the ice after the first PU goal.

Speaking of traditions and rules violations, etc, it's interesting that a cornell fan visiting at Cheel would complain about the band.  Were there any other complaints about how the cornell fans were treated?

I'd be interested to know since there were some issues in recent years that folks brought up on this board.

I didn't get to Lynah this year or last, if I remember right, but I recall witnessing plenty of abuse from cornell fans, both verbal and physical directed at Clarkson fans in my visits over the previous 7 or 8 years.  Then there's the items that get thrown onto the ice at Lynah as mentioned. Has a penalty ever been called for that?

[DisplacedCornellian]

[quote Rich S] Then there's the items that get thrown onto the ice at Lynah as mentioned. Has a penalty ever been called for that?[/quote]

I can recall at least one occasion where a delay of game bench minor was called for fish being tossed at Harvard after play had started.  Usually the fish fly during intros, then they clean it up and issue a warning - any further fishiness will result in a penalty.

[Rich S]

[quote marty][quote daredevilcu]
It's just part of the Cheel atmosphere, ..[/quote]

Your atmosphere reminds me of what that jerk ::dribble:: at the Cleveland Indian games accomplishes.[/quote]

Yeah I know the guy you mean at Jacobs who beats and beats and beats.

As far as the Cheel atmosphere goes that you don't like, there are elements of the Lynah atmosphere that others don't like.  Legal or illegal, they can be crass and in poor taste.  I know..."it's just part of the Lynah atmosphere", like say the bell at Cheel.   ;-)

[ugarte]

[quote Rich S]
As far as the Cheel atmosphere goes that you don't like, there are elements of the Lynah atmosphere that others don't like.  Legal or illegal, they can be crass and in poor taste.  I know..."it's just part of the Lynah atmosphere", like say the bell at Cheel.   ;-)[/quote]We are making the legal/illegal distinction on purpose. I've never been to Cheel, so I don't know how annoying the bell is, but I don't think anyone has suggested that it should be stopped. Similarly, as 'illegal' as the newspaper/fish toss is, we take our warning every game and know that the second violation is going to cost us.

[ugarte]

[quote jtwcornell91] cronically [/quote]chronically - Don't worry, officer, we have a special cell block for the men in blue

[Rich S]

The bell "used to" be rung only after a Clarkson goal, but since Cheel opened and it was brought along, it rings much more often.  I can see where that can be annoying.

I do recall in prior years that people here suggested it should be stopped, much like the band's playing.

[ftyuv]

To be fair, we regularly swear (see ya asshole, you goon... fuck 'em up, let's go red, bullshit, etc) and get away with it en masse, one or two unfortunate quota-victims aside.  I think there's a bit of pot-kettle-black with us telling another group of fans (and I include bands in that) how to act well.

Then again, it seems that pretty much any group of fans worth speaking of is a pot or a kettle.  Maybe we should all just lighten up.

That said:  screw Clarkson, they're all assholes

[Drew]

C'mon fellas you get away with it in your barn, we get away with some stuff in our barn.......it's called home cookin'.

[cth95]

Definitely a frustrating night.  I had (unfortunately) a great view of all 3 of Clarkson's goals.  The puck slid through a heavy screen on the first.  McKee saw it just as it got to his pads and was about to go through 5-hole as he was in the butterfly.  The 2nd goal was a really nice play by Clarkson and a defensive let-down by us.  A Clarkson player got by our defenseman on the right wing and rang a beauty shot off the inside of the corner of the crossbar.  The puck bounced into the slot right onto another Clarkson player's stick, and he promptly one-timed it into the upper left corner.  McKee didn't have a prayer.

I had a bad feeling right from the start, because Clarkson forwards were able to skate by our defensemen and get clean shots off 2-3 times in the first period alone (including the 2nd goal).  They had a few more similar chances including the one in which Dodge beat Glover? and wristed a nice shot over Chabot's right shoulder into the opposite, upper corner.  I remember games last year in which we didn't give up any clean shots like these during a whole game.  We just were flat overall, with the exception of spurts of energy here and there in which we totally dominated.  I think allowing Clarkson the 2 quick goals gave them and Leggio confidence.  He made 2 or 3 amazing saves right in front of me during the 2nd period.  You could visibly see his confidence rising with each one.  (To the point of cockiness as he posed and waved his glove around after robbing one of our good break-aways).  

It was definitely a surprise to be wearing the jersey of the goalie on the ice, and not the bench.  McKee hadn't done anything wrong that I had seen, so I wonder if he just didn't feel well.  It was nice to see Chabot have a chance to play in a real game.  He was solid as far as making the saves, but I wonder if he was a little nervous in the 3rd period.  The goal was not his fault and he made the stops, but he was lucky the defense was picking up his rebounds.  With a Clarkson stick or two in the right place, there may have been another goal or two.   There were many times that he would block the shot, but the puck would bounce a foot or two in front of him.  Definitely made me more greatly appreciate McKee's ability to suck everything in and keep it there.  Not a bad night at all for Chabot.  Just a little more risky.

Let's hope the team comes out flying tonight like last week and in the home games against CU and SLU.  We obviously had more talent last night, but we were outhustled and gave CU confidence.  A quick start tonight can go a long way towards salvaging 2 points and maintaining 1st place.   LGR!!!