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[Beeeej]

[quote calgARI '07]I think Moulson should be a unanimous pick for player of the year.

Moulson really should not get consideration for Player of the Year.[/quote]

Um, okay.

Beeeej

[CowbellGuy]

He was being sarcastic with the first one. Does anyone in this forum honest think he even deserves to be in the running?

[Beeeej]

[quote CowbellGuy]He was being sarcastic with the first one. Does anyone in this forum honest think he even deserves to be in the running?[/quote]

I don't, but you know as well as anybody that some people around here get pretty bizarre ideas in their heads about individual players.  And Ari's not immune to that.

Seriously, if you want to be sarcastic, what else is the ::stupid:: icon for?  ;-)

Beeeej

[calgARI '07]

Moulson has one even strength goal in 23 games.  He shouldn't even win player of the year for Cornell.  Come to think of it, I'm not sure he'd even be in the top 3.  He has a lot of powerplay points, but I think O'Byrne, McCutcheon, Chris Abbott, and McKee have all had definitively better seasons for Cornell.  And for anyone who has watched a good amount of the games this year, it isn't as if Moulson has been getting a ton of chances.  The opposition has pretty much totally shut him down on a regular basis at even strength.  You barely notice him.  Now part of this is the lack of talent on his line compared to usual, but I definitely expected more of a presence even strenght from him.

[Give My Regards]

[quote CowbellGuy]What planet is Tim McDonald on?

[q]For Goaltender of the Year, I'd choose Colgate's Mark Dekanich. He's second in goals against average and first in save percentage and he's put up those numbers with a less talented defense than the one that plays in front of David McKee.[/q][/quote]

I am not a McDonald fan, and at first I was ready to dump on him for this one, but when you look at the ECAC-only stats, he does have a point.

McKee:  11-3-2 (0.750 winning %, tied for 1st in the league), 1.99 GAA (1st), 0.909 sv% (8th)
Dekanich:  10-3-1 (0.750, T-1st), 2.18 GAA (2nd), 0.925 (1st)

(stats from http://www.ecachockeyleague.com/leaguestats/men )

Overall, McKee has a better record than Dekanich (16-4-3 vs. 13-6-5), kills him in GAA (2.03 vs. 2.54), and isn't far behind in sv% (0.908 to 0.914).  But given his ECAC numbers, Dekanich does in fact warrant consideration for the Dryden award... at least for now.

[Trotsky]

[quote calgARI '07]Moulson has one even strength goal in 23 games.  He shouldn't even win player of the year for Cornell.  Come to think of it, I'm not sure he'd even be in the top 3.[/quote]
Ok, so you and Age are saying that the guy who leads the team in points by a huge margin, and who has 13 goals while the next leading scorer has 8, shouldn't be even considered as one of the top three players on the team, and that there is no way on the planet anyone could possibly consider him as the best player on the best team and thus a contender for league POTY?  That makes sense.

The "knowledgable contrarian" contingent push it a little too far at times.  If a guy is blowing away all of his teammates in scoring, he's at the very least a team MVP contender.  Double-reverse subtle analysis is cute and all, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[CowbellGuy]

What I said is I don't think Moulson (or anyone on this team for that matter) should be in the running for ECAC POTY. Moulson has 7 ECAC goals, less than half Burton's total and 9 ECAC assists, about half what Cashman and Trevelyan have. Moulson has zero GWG and simply hasn't been a difference maker at any point this year. I'd go with OB or maybe McKee, depending how he does down the stretch, for Cornell POTY at this point, but I don't see anyone that should be on the ECAC POTY radar. Just because they may end up being the best team doesn't mean they have the best player.

[Rich S]

You may do well to consider there are talented players worthy of accoldes besides those on your favorite team.

[Rosey]

[quote Rich S]You may do well to consider there are talented players worthy of accoldes besides those on your favorite team.[/quote]
Except that they suck by definition, because they could have come to Cornell and used that talent here.

Kyle

[CowbellGuy]

To whom are you responding, jackass? Since you apparently clearly misinterpreted my post, you might want to read the whole thread before making a reply like that.

[Facetimer]

[quote CowbellGuy]To whom are you responding, jackass? Since you apparently clearly misinterpreted my post, you might want to read the whole thread before making a reply like that.[/quote]

I love when Age gets mad.

[Robb]

[quote Rich S]You may do well to consider there are talented players worthy of accoldes besides those on your favorite team.[/quote]Heaven forbid that on the CORNELL hockey form, we discuss whether any CORNELL player MIGHT be worthy for consideration as ECAC POTY.  Go back to the round table if you want to read about people kissing Dodge's yellow butt.

[Trotsky]

[quote CowbellGuy]What I said is I don't think Moulson (or anyone on this team for that matter) should be in the running for ECAC POTY.[/quote]
Well, OK then, that does make sense.  Dammit. :-(

I do think that if a team dominates the league it's kinda silly to give the award to a player on a different team, unless that player is head and shoulders above the rest (c.f., Nieuwendyk, Joe, 1987).  But Cornell is not dominating the league.

[Rich S]

More like...Heaven forbid people on this forum should think beyond their noses that there might be other quality players that merit consideration...such as the Colgate guys the writer mentioned.

Oh, and Dodge got the same mention as Moulson...whatever color his butt is..smart guy.  ::rolleyes::

[Rich S]

Misinterpreted?  How so?  Please do tell.

You obviously didn't agree with McDonald's opinion, hence your "what planet?" comment.

Is the league writer allowed to live somewhere besides "Planet cornell?"

And you call ME a "jackass".  Nice.