The RED-OUT crowd and "it's all your fault" cheer.

[Oat]

Thank you everyone who wore red to the game. You all have contributed to the amazing atmosphere of Lynah. The building was pretty loud and energetic and we crushed them in every way possible. Well done!

Well there're a few things that bothered me and I don't know if anyone else would share the same view.

I think that our scoring cheer "Sieve sieve sieve sieve sieve.... It's all your fault.. It's all your fault" was way too fast and messed up. I don't know why some people in section B have been trying to speed it up (several times already this year). If you've ever played competitive sports and been verbally abused by spectators, you would know that these chants are much more effective and personal if they are done together in complete unison, loud and SLOW. Slower is better. We have to take time and let the words seep into the goalie's head.

If we rush through "itsallyourfault-itsallyourfault-itsallyourfault," then it is nothing more than a boring predictable rink routine. It becomes nothing more than blurry dissonance. The sound will make no sense and the goalie won't be affected by it at all. Do you understand what I mean? Going too fast also makes the chant less personal and thus less effective. Our goal is to cause maximum disturbance to the goalie's emotional stability. We want to distract and throw him off his game.

I'm thinking 2 beats per second is a good approximation of how it used to be 2-3 years ago.

And actually the same goes for other cheers such as "red line -- idiot." Do them slow and you will really piss the hell out of those players. Slow and strong.

[canuck89]

I totally agree with you.  Slower for the cheers is better.

One thing though, "Red line -- idiot" is getting really old and dumb now.  Way overused.  Let's try to do those cheers when a player is truly an idiot (not everytime).

[mikee293]

i agree that slower is definately better



but one thing that bothers me is the "it's all your fault" cheer after an Empty Netter. I know you could say that if the goalie has to come out in the first place, then that IS his fault.....but still, an empty net goal is still in fact a goal against....an empty net.

Oh well

[Robb]

[quote mikee293]
but one thing that bothers me is the "it's all your fault" cheer after an Empty Netter. I know you could say that if the goalie has to come out in the first place, then that IS his fault.....but still, an empty net goal is still in fact a goal against....an empty net.

Oh well[/quote]

I dunno - I find that funny in the same way I find "Safety School" for Harvard funny.  It's funny because it's NOT true...

[atb9]

[quote mikee293]but one thing that bothers me is the "it's all your fault" cheer after an Empty Netter. I know you could say that if the goalie has to come out in the first place, then that IS his fault.....but still, an empty net goal is still in fact a goal against....an empty net.

Oh well[/quote]

I always pointed at the opposing coach during that one.

[Free11Skier]

Point at the goalie for "sieve, sieve, ..." (whether or not he was in goal, he's still a sieve) and point at the coach for "it's all your fault" as the goal in question was his fault moreso than the goalie.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote mikee293]
but one thing that bothers me is the "it's all your fault" cheer after an Empty Netter. I know you could say that if the goalie has to come out in the first place, then that IS his fault.....but still, an empty net goal is still in fact a goal against....an empty net.
[/quote]

Yes, if the goalie wasn't such a sieve in the first place, he wouldnt have had to be pulled. Hence, its all his fault even more than usual

Second, you can point at the coach if you think that's funnier.


The fact is, more than half the goals scored are *not* even mostly the goalie's fault, nevermind all his fault. Very very rarely is it entirely true. And on an empty netter, its just funny. Ya gotta lighten up

[jy3]

the other unfortunate thing about ideas or criticisms of cheers is that most people at the games who do them wrong dont read this board
slow is better, though.
i always pointed at the coach as well or at the empty net or the goalie...depending on my mood.

dont forget to count extra for goals like the one last night that wasnt counted that is always fun

[Jim Hyla]

The best, and most annoying, sieve cheer that I've heard was Wisconsin at the 1973 NCAA tourney at the old Boston Garden. They did a slow, slow sieve cheer, and everyone could keep up. The way we lost that game ground it into my mind forever.

So, yes slow and in unison is better. It's much like waving hands for a freethrow or a face-off, random activity does nothing, it's just a background. However, if you could all get together in unison, then you might distract the player.

[French Rage]

It's the kids these days, they need to rush through every cheer.  At the basketball games here, when we're doing the "DE-FENSE ", instead of doing it at the regular intended rhythm, they have to speed it up each time until it's just noise at the end.  I blame the Playstation and iPods.

:-P

[RazzBaronZ]

Speaking of, has the LGR cheer always been speeded up the way it has been this year?  For some reason I always remembered it being at one tempo when I've been at games before (This is the first year I have season tix).

-Alex Barash '07

[David Harding]

[quote Jim Hyla]The best, and most annoying, sieve cheer that I've heard was Wisconsin at the 1973 NCAA tourney at the old Boston Garden. They did a slow, slow sieve cheer, and everyone could keep up. The way we lost that game ground it into my mind forever.[/quote]
I agree.  That was haunting.  I can still hear it.

[mikee293]

i suggest then that we try to get a really slow, sieve chant next game at dartmouth......i think its a really great idea.  In the days leading up to the game we'll have to come back to this thread to remind everyone.

If we do decide to do it, it would be helpful if some people in B helped to get it going.....i'm in A and it doesn't seem like many people are that willing to start new cheers, they mostly only go with the flow and do the tried-and-true.

[BMac]

As someone else in A (Hi Epstein, happy birthday!) I'll help you out with the slow sieve cheer. I think that would be great. Section B in?

[RazzBaronZ]

I'm in (Section B).