Quick rules question: checking the hell out of McNulty

[Trotsky]

[quote jtwcornell91]I once saw Tim Thomas, in the USA-Canada college all star game, skate out after the puck and check a Canadian forward, who got called for goalie interference.  You could read his lips (Canadians don't have to wear full face masks in college) saying "He hit me!"  During the ensuing power play, he got dumped while playing the puck in the corner, and there was no call, :-D[/quote]

Wouldn't it be logical that if X can't be hit X also can't hit?

[KeithK]

Jason Elliott was called for delay of game for covering the puck out of the crease in his first Cornell game.  (I don't remember if this was an exhibition or a real game.)  The puck was high in the zone, past the circles, and there was one opposing player heading for the it.  Elliott jumped on it to prevent the breakaway shot.  I clearly remember joking that maybe the rules were different back in his junior league, but this was college.

I was under the impression that a goalie even corssing the red line, whether playing the puck or not, incurred a penalty.  Obviously heading to the bench in a delayed penalty situation is an exception, but you have to head straight to the bench.  Tooo lazy to check the rulebook right now though.

[canuck89]

Thank you!!!

[Josh '99]

[quote KeithK]I was under the impression that a goalie even corssing the red line, whether playing the puck or not, incurred a penalty.  Obviously heading to the bench in a delayed penalty situation is an exception, but you have to head straight to the bench.  Tooo lazy to check the rulebook right now though.[/quote]I suppose that includes a goalie crossing the red line to fight with the opposing goalie?  :-D

[Jacob '06]

[quote KeithK]

I was under the impression that a goalie even corssing the red line, whether playing the puck or not, incurred a penalty.  Obviously heading to the bench in a delayed penalty situation is an exception, but you have to head straight to the bench.  Tooo lazy to check the rulebook right now though.[/quote]

You are correct.

[KeithK]

[q]I suppose that includes a goalie crossing the red line to fight with the opposing goalie?[/q]That's exactly what I was thinking about.


On a side note, I find it annoying that you can easily link to my box scores on Age's server when I can't remember the correct path and the top level links are broken. :-(

By the way, the Elliott delay of game penalty is here: http://www.elynah.com/news/PastYears/Box95/Verm.1112

[pat]

The NCAA interpretations are uncharacteristically explicit about when and where the goalie can cover up the puck:
[q]
A.R. 1: A goalkeeper leaves the crease and rushes forward to a loose puck  inside the privileged area to beat a lone attacking player to the puck.
RULING: If the goalkeeper reaches the puck first and falls on it a minor penalty will be assessed.

A.R. 2: A goalkeeper dives on the puck outside of the crease area.
RULING: A goalkeeper can dive on a puck outside of the crease area, as long  as part of the goalkeeper's body is in contact with the crease when the goalkeeper makes contact with the puck.
[/q]

You are correct, Keith, about this being different under different governing bodies. Here's a chart: http://ihonc.com/LockerRoom/realindex.php3?msg=10441

The "privileged area" mentioned above is the rectangularish region with corners at the end zone face-off dots and the end boards. Within the privileged area, any contact with the goalie is prohibited and should be penalized. Outside of the privileged area, NCAA interpretation is as follows:

[q]
A.R.: The Team A goalkeeper skates with the puck beyond his end zone  face-off circle and is body-checked by a Team B forward. Should a penalty be assessed?
RULING: No. The Team A goalkeeper is beyond the imaginary line connecting the special spots in the end zone face-off circles, outside his privileged area, and is subject to the same playing rules as other players.
[/q]

This is also slightly different than the USA Hockey interpretation, which includes the specific language that just because a goalkeeper is outside of the privileged area he is not "fair game." It would still be reasonable under NCAA, however, to consider a penalty for contact with a goalie outside of the privileged area who was not in possession and control of the puck.

And as for the goalie beyond the center red line, the rule (4-7-c) is that he may not "participate in play."

[Lauren '06]

[q]Within the privileged area, any contact with the goalie is prohibited and should be penalized. Outside of the privileged area, NCAA interpretation is as follows:[/q]
Nobody wins when the goalie gets hit in the privileged area. :-D

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Section A Banshee][q]Within the privileged area, any contact with the goalie is prohibited and should be penalized. Outside of the privileged area, NCAA interpretation is as follows:[/q]
Nobody wins when the goalie gets hit in the privileged area. :-D[/quote]

I love that the "privileged area" is defined using the "special spot". :-D

[Lauren '06]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Section A Banshee][q]Within the privileged area, any contact with the goalie is prohibited and should be penalized. Outside of the privileged area, NCAA interpretation is as follows:[/q]
Nobody wins when the goalie gets hit in the privileged area. :-D[/quote]

I love that the "privileged area" is defined using the "special spot". :-D[/quote]
I thought for awhile about how to combine the two terms into one off color comment, but it got a little unwieldy...

[KeithK]

[q]It would still be reasonable under NCAA, however, to consider a penalty for contact with a goalie outside of the privileged area who was not in possession and control of the puck.[/q]...which would be interference regardless of whether the player in question was wearing a goalie pads or not.

[pat]

[quote KeithK][q]It would still be reasonable under NCAA, however, to consider a penalty for contact with a goalie outside of the privileged area who was not in possession and control of the puck.[/q]...which would be interference regardless of whether the player in question was wearing a goalie pads or not.[/quote]

Technically not necessarily; there's a difference between "possession" and "possession and control." What I was going for, though, was that it would be reasonable to apply a lower threshold for incidental interfering contact with a goalie than with a player.

[daredevilcu]

Actually, there was a near textbook example of this very situation in the Clarkson game at Union.  During a Union attack, the puck squirted out and slowly through the neutral zone.  As it crossed the blue line, Union goaltender Kris Mayotte saw a Clarkson skater well ahead of the Union skaters, ready to collect the puck for an easy breakway if he got to it in time.  Well, Mayotte made about the ballsiest play I've seen in a hockey game so far, and skated out above the faceoff circle, diving to play the puck and knock it out of the offensive zone.  The Clarkson skater was tripped up and fell on top of Mayotte, and couldn't get right out of his way -- something that, behind the net, I feel certain would've been called goaltender interference.  There was no call, Mayotte did indeed clear the zone right to another  Clarkson skater.  Mayotte got back to the net just in time to make a sliding save on the shot taken after all the Clarkson skaters got back onside... it was crazy.  Disappointing as hell, but Mayotte was playing out of his mind that night, and that pretty much epitomized it.

[DeltaOne81]

[quote daredevilcu]Well, Mayotte made about the ballsiest play I've seen in a hockey game so far, and skated out above the faceoff circle, diving to play the puck and knock it out of the offensive zone.[/quote]

Of course, we all remember when that happened and didn't end in such happy results for the young Merrimack goalkeeper :-/

Doesnt look like Joe's playing anymore, but he did get two years with Wheeling in the ECHL.

[jbeaber1998]

Prolly going to get crap for the name, but didn't Darren Tymchyn (I know, horribly spelled wrong) completely level a goalie a few years ago?  IIRC, the puck was basically sitting at the top of a faceoff circle in the offensive zone and Darren and the goalie were in a race to get there.  Goalie won, got hit and Darren made a run to the penalty box....  Could be making this up...