2005-2006 PWR

[jy3]

yeah with 33/22/11 we are tied with SUCKS for 7th. this is pending the minnesota result

[Winnabago]

[quote redGrinch]
FYI, Engelstad is NHL size; I believe Green Bay is also.  Also ECACHL is the host for Rochester - all host data can be found here: http://www.ncaasports.com/icehockey/mens/schedules/

It's been discussed before, but the problem with western regional sites is there just aren't too many neutral site rinks that can be used.... Grand Rapids; maybe Cleveland.  Not as many AHL-sized arenas out there.  The reality is that there just aren't too many applications for western regional sites so the schools with the large rinks step in.[/quote]

Thanks for the link.  I can't find anything online about Green Bay, but apparently Engelstad has two sheets in the building at different sizes - for practice depending on the opponent, I guess, but the main arena is definitely 200x85.  It would be a shame to play NoDak there, especially for a team that's a higher seed.  

I guess the only real certainty is to be the host.  The ECACHL and RPI are listed as hosts this year.  Is there a similar relationship to Rochester next year for us?  Geographically, it's our backyard.

If this has already been discussed, sorry. ::doh::

[jy3]

minne beats the seawolves and clinches first place...

33/22/11
Rk    Team    PWR    Record    RPI
Rk    W-L-T    Win %    Rk    RPI
1    Minnesota    29    1    23-6-5    .7500    1    .5867
2    Wisconsin    28    5    21-9-3    .6818    2    .5739
3    Miami    27    2    23-7-4    .7353    4    .5678
4    Boston University    26    7t    19-9-4    .6563    3    .5689
5    Michigan State    25    11    20-10-8    .6316    5    .5604
6    Colorado College    24    9 23-12-1    .6528    6    .5550
7t    Cornell    22    6    17-7-4    .6786    10    .5422
7t    Harvard    22    12    17-10-2    .6207    9    .5447
9t    North Dakota    19    15    21-14-1    .5972    7    .5491
9t    Maine    19    3    23-10-1    .6912    8    .5471
9t    Michigan    19    24    18-13-5    .5694    11    .5422
9t    Nebraska-Omaha    19    21t    18-12-6    .5833    12    .5418
13    Boston College    17    7t    20-10-2    .6563    14    .5362
14t    New Hampshire    16    17t    17-11-6    .5882    16    .5293
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14t    Denver    16    17t    19-13-2    .5882    13    .5370
16t    Dartmouth    12    20    16-11-2    .5862    15    .5319
16t    Northern Michigan    12    21t    20-14-2   .5833    23    .5233
18t    Ohio State    11    36    15-17-5    .4730    21    .5237
18t    Providence    11    26t    16-13-3    .5469    19    .5255
20t    St. Lawrence    10    25    17-13-2    .5625    18    .5270
20t    Vermont    10    13t    18-10-6    .6176    20    .5242
22    Ferris State    9    30    15-13-8    .5278    17    .5279
23    St. Cloud State    7    17t    18-12-4   .5882    26    .5204
24    Alaska-Fairbanks    6    31    15-14-5   .5147    24    .5213
25t    Lake Superior    5    28    15-12-7    .5441    25    .5205
25t    Minnesota State    5    32t    16-16-4   .5000    29    .5036
27t    Holy Cross    3    4    21-9-2    .6875    22    .5234
27t    Sacred Heart    3    10    19-10-2    .6452    28    .5170
29    Notre Dame    2    39    13-17-4    .4412    30    .5023
30    Colgate    1    13t    18-10-6    .6176    27    .5198

[Dafatone]

So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver?  PWR confuses me.

[billhoward]

[quote Dafatone]So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver?  PWR confuses me.[/quote]
One more reason to wonder about NCAA absolutism of banding the teams -- you're one of 4 1-seeds, 2-seeds, 3-seeds, 4-seeds, and can't be moved out of band to accommodate other problems. The lowest 2-seed is essentially the same as the highest 3-seed, and maybe given the dynamics, maybe not a lot different than the highest of the 4-seeds.
Someone should calculate a margin of error. If nothing else, consider how much a team's PWR changes over any one week ... or how much it changes if the team's result isn't counted and you only calculate what the other teams did.
The two worst things about the hockey seeding are a) when the committee has little flexibility and b) when it has a lot.

[Robb]

[quote Dafatone]So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver?  PWR confuses me.[/quote]
No, they were higher after Friday night, when they BEAT Denver.  They split on the weekend with a good team, so they moved up.

[Dafatone]

Oh, okay, they split with Denver.  Makes sense, though the jump they took was huge.

[nyc94]

[quote Dafatone]Oh, okay, they split with Denver.  Makes sense, though the jump they took was huge.[/quote]

Go to http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?2006/rankings.diy.shtml, run the script and look at which comparisons North Dakota is winning now.  Then go to the list of games played and erase the ones from this weekend (they're listed by date in year, month, day format with no hyphens or spaces) and make sure to check "Specify Results".  Run the script again and compare which comparisons they were winning before the weekend.

[redredux]

Aside from having to travel to GB, our draw right now in the NCAAs is pretty good.  UNO, and with a win, a Wisconsin team that's struggling.  Who knows what the eventual draw will be, but this one isn't so bad.  Also, good to see Harvard finally sent West.

[calgARI '07]

So do we think that Cornell needs to get 5th or 6th to stay east?  Is it a sure-thing that Minnesota and Wisconsin stay top 2?

[redhair34]

I think a big X-Factor could be Niagra.  They have been playing well of late (swept Bemidji this weekend).  If they win the CHA tournament that will give us two more wins over TUC's.  I'm not sure if it would help us win any comparisons, but at the least it would be some insurance if we bow out early of the ECAC tournament (against a TUC).  PWR junkies please correct me if I'm wrong.

[jkahn]

[quote jkahn][quote jkahn]
Tonight's a very big one.  Let's Go Red.[/quote]
Big win.  I feel a whole lot better now, despite being on a 13 hour airplane flight between these last two posts.[/quote]
Just used JTW's slack.net script to see how big last night's win was.  We would've dropped to 13th with a loss last night.

[Robb]

[quote jkahn]Just used JTW's slack.net script to see how big last night's win was.  We would've dropped to 13th with a loss last night.[/quote]
Meaning that we'd better sweep our QF opponent rather than going 2-1... ::uhoh::

[oceanst41]

Every team beating us in a comparison is doing so by RPI alone, excluding Wisconsin and Minny - they are just beating us in everything.

With teams we are currently winning comparisons against (like Sucks, BC, Michigan, UNO, etc) we already have the TUC upperhand. So Niagara becoming a TUC won't help us win anymore comparions, but it will go a long way to making sure we don't lose any.

Losing in the playoffs is not an option now, the RPI won't go down with a win anymore but it can certainly drop if we lose - so just keep winning

[A-19]

[quote oceanst41]Every team beating us in a comparison is doing so by RPI alone, excluding Wisconsin and Minny - they are just beating us in everything.

With teams we are currently winning comparisons against (like Sucks, BC, Michigan, UNO, etc) we already have the TUC upperhand. So Niagara becoming a TUC won't help us win anymore comparions, but it will go a long way to making sure we don't lose any.

Losing in the playoffs is not an option now, the RPI won't go down with a win anymore but it can certainly drop if we lose - so just keep winning[/quote]

so given that, can we move up in pairwise to let's say #4 by winning against 2 non-tuc twice, and two tucs in albany? ie. will winning out actually increase the rpi enough that we can become a #1 seed?